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Freedom Week 2.0

berth said:
Oh, golly, that's too bad.

Real shame, that is.
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Right? i wonder how much of the "righteous outrage" in the press releases is real, especially since the 9th hasn't rushed in to drop a stay like they have in some other cases.
 
It's was granted a stay by the motions panel of the 9th circus, a merits panel should follow within the next few days to a few weeks.
The stay can still happen.
 
An order that I had placed on the 2nd still has not shipped so I would assume that it can no longer be sent directly to me - correct?
 
NorCalBusa said:
What did the seller say about it?
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After the court order I reached out and was told that they were honoring all orders placed between 1/31 and 2/5 (shipping in 7 to 10 business days)


Currently they said that there was a large influx of orders from CA and they are running behind of the normal time
 
Tomorrow will be 4 weeks since I placed the order and still have not received it:

This is from 2/23/24
We apologize for the delay we’re super behind. An update: the supplier who normally drop ships for us refused to ship to CA. So, we had to have ALL those orders ship to us first, then we have to ship them out to all those CA customers. Our normal advertised estimated processing time is 7-10 business days. The huge influx of CA orders has definitely caused a delay. Doing our best to get all these order out as fast as possible. Thank you so much for your patience. You will get a shipping notification with tracking via email from our receipts/ tracking number email address: (no-reply@shopbfam.com) once your order does ship. Thanks again of your understanding and patience! Hope you have a great rest of the day!

From 2/17/24 it was "once your order ships which we anticipate being in the next couple business days. If you did not get an email confirmation for your order; or if your email address is incorrect, please let us know"

I think my patience has ended

Cancel and dispute the charge??
 
Grissom said:
Cancel and dispute the charge??
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May as well wait until they say "Sorry, we can't ship".

I mean, the goal was to get the ammunition, right? Did you have some big plans that you needed it "right away"? If you ask for your money back, you gonna head down to your LGS and buy it there?

I'd just give them a couple more weeks. As long as they're responsive, I'd assume goodwill and that they're trying as hard as they can since its clear they're not used to doing actual fulfillment.

"Uh, we just got 5000 boxes of Winchester white box. What do we do now?" "Go to Office Depot and buy some boxes!"
 
ctwo said:
You were too late.
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I ordered on the 2nd and after the ruling I reached out to the seller and they stated they were going to fulfil all the orders from California placed during the open period
 
berth said:
May as well wait until they say "Sorry, we can't ship".

I mean, the goal was to get the ammunition, right? Did you have some big plans that you needed it "right away"? If you ask for your money back, you gonna head down to your LGS and buy it there?

I'd just give them a couple more weeks. As long as they're responsive, I'd assume goodwill and that they're trying as hard as they can since its clear they're not used to doing actual fulfillment.

"Uh, we just got 5000 boxes of Winchester white box. What do we do now?" "Go to Office Depot and buy some boxes!"
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What I don't want to happen is that they say "We now have to ship to your FFL" and incur additional charges
 
Sure that's fine, but then just cancel the order at that time. The rules have changed. They shouldn't just blindly do that, they can't make you pay more than you already have.
 
Bottom line is at worse case, you are back at what you had to do before Freedom Week 2.0- so the short lived opportunity was missed. The only financial penalty is the possibility of an FFL having to receive and charge- but I've found that not to be a big expense relative to >1,000 round orders.

Kind of creating your own drama methinks. Wait, Cancel & order elsewhere- you pick. You're fussing over what $20?
 
What? Don't you have to like pee in a cup, pay, pass a test, and be entered into some DB?

Best said "short lived opportunity was missed."
 
Aren't you only allowed to bring in 50 rounds, and have like have documented evidence you were on a hunting trip with firearms matching said rounds?
 
So I reached out to them yesterday which was one month since I placed the order. Mind you their website listed In Stock and Quantity On Hand at the time I placed my order.

Anyways I got this reply.

"A little update, we apologize for the delay, we’re super behind. The supplier who normally drop ships for us refused to ship those orders to CA after all. So, we had to have ALL those orders ship to us first, then we have to ship them out to all those CA customers. Now remember it’s just the two of us, my husband and myself and we have never had this many orders to process in house before since most of our orders normally drop ship. We understand the frustration though, we spent the last few nights unboxing all the remaining freight deliveries and there is quite a few orders they put on backorder without telling us. So frustrating! We are going through that list now and contacting those customers. Unfortunately, it looks like your order is one of those. Really sorry about that! Would you like to remain on backorder or would you prefer a full refund? We completely understand either way. Please let us know. Thank you for your grace and understanding!

Not once did they reach out to me the customer like they said they would with either status updates or issues.

They only responded to my inquiry (I'll give them at least credit for that)

I don't remember from what website I found them (Calguns / Ammoseek or?) but I would definitely not recommend ordering from https://shopbfam.com/home
at all
 
Aren't you only allowed to bring in 50 rounds, and have like have documented evidence you were on a hunting trip with firearms matching said rounds?
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In absence of a more well-versed responder to your query, I'll try.

To my knowledge, I can travel out-of-state with ammo I have legally purchased by California standards and return with said same. It would be the state agency questioning my transported rounds to prove otherwise.

Would it be prudent to have proof that I did not purchase the ammo in Nevada or elsewhere? In the less perfect world we live, I guess.

A practical example-

I could travel to a Nevada range, get rained out of planned session and return with all ammo I brought for the trip. No hunting, no count, no problem.
 
Grissom said:
Mind you their website listed In Stock and Quantity On Hand at the time I placed my order.
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We understand the frustration though, we spent the last few nights unboxing all the remaining freight deliveries and there is quite a few orders they put on backorder without telling us.
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You kind of didn't highlight:

there is quite a few orders they put on backorder without telling us.
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They promised you what they were promised, and their supplier reneged on the deal by putting you on backorder.

The beauty of drop shipping and "just in time" inventory is when inventory is "just in time", everything flows smoothly. Unfortunately, they're very susceptible interruptions when things go pear shaped. A lesson learned during COVID, everywhere, in all industries, at all levels. We are still reeling from this directly and indirectly. (No, I'm not suggesting that this is COVID related, simply reflecting on the fragility of these systems.)

It's your money and your time. Communication is a challenge at the best of times. They look like one of the million other drop shipping virtual storefronts on the internet trying to eek out a living with 5-10% markup. I'm sure they didn't bargain having a living room gorged beyond the load bearing weight of the floor in ammunition when they decided to start this project. Much less all of the expense, time, labor unpacking, repacking, addressing, checking, all of the orders that they are even more overwhelmed with since they have to do it all themselves.

They signed up for taking orders and forwarding them to the fulfillment company, not this. They are likely reconsidering some life choices right now.

Like I said, it's your money and time. Sounds to me they're owning the problem and coping as best as they can, but certainly get your money back if you don't want the ammo anymore.
 
berth said:
You kind of didn't highlight:



They promised you what they were promised, and their supplier reneged on the deal by putting you on backorder.

The beauty of drop shipping and "just in time" inventory is when inventory is "just in time", everything flows smoothly. Unfortunately, they're very susceptible interruptions when things go pear shaped. A lesson learned during COVID, everywhere, in all industries, at all levels. We are still reeling from this directly and indirectly. (No, I'm not suggesting that this is COVID related, simply reflecting on the fragility of these systems.)

It's your money and your time. Communication is a challenge at the best of times. They look like one of the million other drop shipping virtual storefronts on the internet trying to eek out a living with 5-10% markup. I'm sure they didn't bargain having a living room gorged beyond the load bearing weight of the floor in ammunition when they decided to start this project. Much less all of the expense, time, labor unpacking, repacking, addressing, checking, all of the orders that they are even more overwhelmed with since they have to do it all themselves.

They signed up for taking orders and forwarding them to the fulfillment company, not this. They are likely reconsidering some life choices right now.

Like I said, it's your money and time. Sounds to me they're owning the problem and coping as best as they can, but certainly get your money back if you don't want the ammo anymore.
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Not once did they keep me informed as they said they would.

Do not ever be fooled by the how good a website looks as anybody can put one up.

Freedom week and Freedom lost = lesson learned from some small ass shitty company with a nice website and verbiage.

If you want to support them, by all means do so :twofinger but no smilie
 
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