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Fully Modified ECR Ultra Bee

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Nice. If I didn't have the Vonkat TenFive I would try to go with the EXT Arma on the Light Bee. Is the stock rear shock really that bad that you are going to upgrade it?
 
HadesOmega said:
Nice. If I didn't have the Vonkat TenFive I would try to go with the EXT Arma on the Light Bee. Is the stock rear shock really that bad that you are going to upgrade it?
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The largest recommended spring for that stock shock is a 550. I need something heavier, which is not recommended on the stock shock. I want a properly sprung bike. I'm redoing the front forks as well...why not.
 
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They're nice looking, but for the price, it makes me wonder if there's anything from ohlins that people are fitting up?
 
Moto_JB said:
The largest recommended spring for that stock shock is a 550. I need something heavier, which is not recommended on the stock shock. I want a properly sprung bike. I'm redoing the front forks as well...why not.
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If you don't mind me asking, what's your height/weight? I'm 6'2" 220 (before gear) right now...yes the winter hasn't been good to me:laughing, and though I don't have a lot of seat time yet (~25 mi), I gotta say the rear stock shock/spring is actually pretty well sprung for my weight. I picked up a 550 spring thinking I would need it out of the gates but after setting the sag I have yet to bottom out the shock so I'm sending the 550 back. Most of what I've ridden is rocky single track but I've found a few berms in the open that I've been able to launch off at 40+ w/o bottoming.

My biggest complaint of the bike right now is just range. Gonna spend my $ on battery upgrade when I get a hall pass from the boss. Of course the bigger battery is gonna req more suspension.....vicious cycle ensues.:rolleyes
 
6'3" 250lbs. Too many decades of weight training, injuries, 2 years of imbalanced diet and little training, while sliding well into middle age...actually, don't get me started on all that... ;)

The rear spring on my used bike (is a 450, i believe) and feels soft. Talking with a couple of shops, they all said the stock shock even with a 550lb spring would still likely be a bit undersprung for me and where I'm going with the bike.

I too will add more weight to the bike with a bigger battery very soon (72v 76Ah or 81v 73Ah), and lastly, I just like upgrading suspension on all my bikes. Always have, always will. The improved feel, performance and experience always makes it worth it to me...

ETA: I was 230lbs and lean in that track pic on my Gixxer 10 years ago. Oh to fit in those old leathers again. ;)
 
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Yeah, that kid was ripping! Looking forward to your comparison report on the shock. Do you have the bike yet?
 
Amadeus said:
Yeah, that kid was ripping! Looking forward to your comparison report on the shock. Do you have the bike yet?
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Admittedly, it won't be much of a comparison, having gone from stock...riding down the block and over neighborhood speed bumps a few times...to completely upgraded but I'll do my best. More than happy to let you ride it when it's done. ;)

Yes, I have the bike. Bought it off a friend of a friend. Going through it and freshening it up now, making it my own.

 
Moto_JB said:
Admittedly, it won't be much of a comparison, having gone from stock...riding down the block and over neighborhood speed bumps a few times...to completely upgraded but I'll do my best. More than happy to let you ride it when it's done. ;)

Yes, I have the bike. Bought it off a friend of a friend. Going through it and freshening it up now, making it my own.

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Your bike looks good, I'm digging the tall guy mods. What size rear tire are you running? Looks like a proper 250F size tire, which was something I've been wondering about, because I don't think I like whatever the stock tire size for this bike.
 
byke said:
Don't think I like those guys very much, but they built a sweet bike. This video was a better sell for me...

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Yeah, saw that video as well...and what a nicely built UB.

I like those Charged Cycle Works guys for sure, after watching a handful of their videos.

I would have bought the suspension from them, if they offered all the same suspension builds as ECR.

Why the dislike of ECR?
 
byke said:
Your bike looks good, I'm digging the tall guy mods. What size rear tire are you running? Looks like a proper 250F size tire, which was something I've been wondering about, because I don't think I like whatever the stock tire size for this bike.
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Thanks...

KKE 21/18

80/100/21
110/100/18

Michelin Starcross 6's, med/soft's on there now.

One also has to consider that the fatter tire setup likely affects range....may go to a 100/100 rear next.
 
Moto_JB said:
Thanks...

KKE 21/18

80/100/21
110/100/18

Michelin Starcross 6's, med/soft's on there now.

One also has to consider that the fatter tire setup likely affects range....may go to a 100/100 rear next.
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I'm running the IRC VE33/35s with the 100/100 rear and these tires rock on this bike! I've been running the VE33/35s on my 500 for years and love them.
 
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Nice, I was checking out the IRC's and may grab a set to try out. Thx.
 
Moto_JB said:
Yeah, saw that video as well...and what a nicely built UB.

I like those Charged Cycle Works guys for sure, after watching a handful of their videos.

I would have bought the suspension from them, if they offered all the same suspension builds as ECR.

Why the dislike of ECR?
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The first video I was exposed to from CCW was the Arctic Leopard Cheetah E·XE880 unboxing and it seemed bought-and-paid-for. The bike is obviously subpar to Japanese and Austrian products, but they were going full salesman on it. The parts situation with this company is also a joke. You have to email a guy and describe what you need. At least with Surron you can find some shitty exploded views on small-fry websites to maybe find parts, if they're in stock. With that said, I'm kinda horny for an UB and I like this modded bike a lot.
 
byke said:
The first video I was exposed to from CCW was the Arctic Leopard Cheetah E·XE880 unboxing and it seemed bought-and-paid-for. The bike is obviously subpar to Japanese and Austrian products, but they were going full salesman on it. The parts situation with this company is also a joke. You have to email a guy and describe what you need. At least with Surron you can find some shitty exploded views on small-fry websites to maybe find parts, if they're in stock. With that said, I'm kinda horny for an UB and I like this modded bike a lot.
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LOL, got it. While I saw that too...I look past that and evaluate things on my own. For that matter, all outfits usually go full salesman on something.

After all, they're all ultimately...salesmen. ;)

I have a full exploded diagram and list of literally every part for the UB. For OEM parts, I figured I'd be able to buy direct from Surron? Just bought some new plastics directly from Surron...
 
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Moto_JB said:
LOL, got it. While I saw that too...I look past that and evaluate things on my own. For that matter, all outfits usually go full salesman on something.

After all, they're all ultimately...salesmen. ;)

I have a full exploded diagram and list of literally every part for the UB. For OEM parts, I figured I'd be able to buy direct from Surron? Just bought some new plastics directly from Surron...
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Id love to see what you've got on this! Can you post it or direct us please?

:thumbup
 
Moto_JB said:
LOL, got it. While I saw that too...I look past that and evaluate things on my own. For that matter, all outfits usually go full salesman on something.

After all, they're all ultimately...salesmen. ;)

I have a full exploded diagram and list of literally every part for the UB. For OEM parts, I figured I'd be able to buy direct from Surron? Just bought some new plastics directly from Surron...
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I've been into dirt bikes and mx since 1988 and am able to do the same, which is how I know the bike is at least partially a pos, but others might not know that and see their glowing reviews and drop $12k on tears and heartbreak. As basically a lifetime dirt enthusiast, I've seen the frustration of the learning curve break many people and it sucks because they miss out on so much fun, they just need a little help with the pitfalls. The last thing they need are shortsighted predatorial salesmen pushing junk. Even worse is when those salesman are riders doing it to their own kind with big ol' cheshire cat smiles. No likey. Much pukey. Groin kickey.

Surron isn't awesome, but they're doing much better than Cold Meow Kitty on the parts side. Cold Meow Kitty has a "service" section on their website that goes to nothing. I've been testing it out and had to message through a generic email on the website, which then kicked it off to a sales rep and have been going back and forth. Honestly I just feel bad for that guy, being the single point of contact having to work with such a shitty manufacturer that they can't even be bothered to put up some exploded views on the website to help people at least find the part numbers of what they need. They're a newer company, but one model has been in the field for 1-2 years and they've done nothing for customer support in that time.

This new wave of e-bikes is very exciting, but with it comes a cesspool of...cess. Same with the aftermarket. A lot of these parts are oddly made, much closer to something you'd buy for your RC car on eBay, than something you'd buy at Rocky Mountain. It's going to be a more difficult maze for new riders to navigate, a maze which requires the absence of a calculator, lest you discover you've spent more than a new 500EXC on a bin full of purple anodized eBay stuff.

Anyway, something I remember about the Volcanduro VE33/35 tires is that one is much better/worse than the other. I think it's the front that's worse and the rear is good.
 
byke said:
I've been into dirt bikes and mx since 1988 and am able to do the same, which is how I know the bike is at least partially a pos, but others might not know that and see their glowing reviews and drop $12k on tears and heartbreak. As basically a lifetime dirt enthusiast, I've seen the frustration of the learning curve break many people and it sucks because they miss out on so much fun, they just need a little help with the pitfalls. The last thing they need are shortsighted predatorial salesmen pushing junk. Even worse is when those salesman are riders doing it to their own kind with big ol' cheshire cat smiles. No likey. Much pukey. Groin kickey.

Surron isn't awesome, but they're doing much better than Cold Meow Kitty on the parts side. Cold Meow Kitty has a "service" section on their website that goes to nothing. I've been testing it out and had to message through a generic email on the website, which then kicked it off to a sales rep and have been going back and forth. Honestly I just feel bad for that guy, being the single point of contact having to work with such a shitty manufacturer that they can't even be bothered to put up some exploded views on the website to help people at least find the part numbers of what they need. They're a newer company, but one model has been in the field for 1-2 years and they've done nothing for customer support in that time.

This new wave of e-bikes is very exciting, but with it comes a cesspool of...cess. Same with the aftermarket. A lot of these parts are oddly made, much closer to something you'd buy for your RC car on eBay, than something you'd buy at Rocky Mountain. It's going to be a more difficult maze for new riders to navigate, a maze which requires the absence of a calculator, lest you discover you've spent more than a new 500EXC on a bin full of purple anodized eBay stuff.

Anyway, something I remember about the Volcanduro VE33/35 tires is that one is much better/worse than the other. I think it's the front that's worse and the rear is good.
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Fair enough and good input...I concur for the most part.

Been into go fast bikes and cars for decades myself and I get it.

The electric bike thing is still pretty new and it's just exciting to be trying out the new higher-spec'd stuff that is hitting the market.

Definitely not convinced on the "frozen pussy", by any means ;) ...and I know the money ($10k) would likely be better spent elsewhere. No illusions. Totally agree about the...cess. I deal with Chinese suppliers quite a bit. ;)

With that said, I think I'm staying with building up my UB, and getting a stupidly modified/built LB. At least with Surron, there are considerably more aftermarket parts (comparitively speaking), better name recognition and a market to sell it, if/when that day comes.

I also plan to get another gas bike. I used to have a CRF450 and having both would be the best of both worlds. Life is short. Going to get some real seat time in again, while I still can. The street/tarmac is out, so dirt, here I come.

Thanks for your perspectives!

:Port
 
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