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Hd livewire

$30k I would rather have the Energica or even the BMW C-Evolution!
 
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The Iivewire is going to be a $30k paperweight.
 
You guys are working yourselves into a lather over nothing.
There is no fucking way this thing sees a showroom....at least with H/D badging on it.
The Motor Company can't even get its herd of lemmings to accept water cooling.
V-Rod....sales fail with the exception of drag racing.
Flat track replica....remember??
They can try to act like they are evolving but I'm afraid they are handcuffed by their clientele.
The Livewire may find it's way to market but it won't have anything to do with Milwaukee.
 
I kind of agree with that. HD is trying to change their image appeal to a younger audience but they've kind of built a kind of culture with their bikes.

They should just to try rebrand themselves like how Toyota had Scion or HD had Buell, etc...
 
i wont be surprised if a large portion of sales are confined to Saudi Princes that think HD is cool and have $$ sitting around.
 
MikeL said:
Level 2 charges at Level 1 rate. Odd
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That sucks.

That means that they only have a ~1.3 Kw charger that 'connects' to a regular wall outlet or level 2 (~220 Volt). It could be the same onboard charger as the Zero - Caltech-, which sucks.

There are aftermarket 6.6 kW, 9.9 kW chargers that Zero's and the Live Wire can use. Relying on DC fast charge limits your options.
 
Yeah I guess it will just charge slower than the Level 2 chargers max output. Kinda like how the Empulse has onboard Level 2 but has a max charge speed of about 3kw even though most Level 2 chargers charge at about 6kw.

Reason I wanna get a supercharger for my bike =P

I don't see how all future bikes should not have DC Fastcharge anyway, it's literally just using a very powerful offboard charger. =/
 
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gixxerjeff said:
The Motor Company can't even get its herd of lemmings to accept water cooling.
V-Rod....sales fail with the exception of drag racing.
Flat track replica....remember??
They can try to act like they are evolving but I'm afraid they are handcuffed by their clientele.
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They still have water cooling. Sort of. The current (and previous) big twin does have a partially water cooled variant. Two small radiators slipped into the lower fairing on the big touring bikes. My Limited has it and it’s a better engine than it’s all air cooled counterpart. Engine runs cooler so no roasted legs and they get away with a bit more compression so a little more power.

And of course they have water cooling in the abysmal Street 500/750 which is definitely not a bike for the core customer. But as a “gateway” bike to the brand, those things aren’t doing any favors for H-D.

Then we have some interesting new bikes with water cooling coming up. I’m especially excited over the Streetfighter. Though after today’s little surprise with the price of the Livewire, I wouldn’t be surprised if that new water cooled naked bike winds up costing $25k.
 
I’ll be buying a street fighter unless it has a crazy ass msrp too
 
Rob, the only reason any form of water cooling was slipped in there was purely for emissions reasons, and you know that.
It was fought at every turn. My point remains the same.
FWIW, the BMW boxer guys were/are kinda the same way. The big difference there is BMW doesn't have all their eggs in one basket.
 
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HadesOmega said:
Yeah I guess it will just charge slower than the Level 2 chargers max output. Kinda like how the Empulse has onboard Level 2 but has a max charge speed of about 3kw even though most Level 2 chargers charge at about 6kw.

Reason I wanna get a supercharger for my bike =P

I don't see how all future bikes should not have DC Fastcharge anyway, it's literally just using a very powerful offboard charger. =/
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All electric motorcycles with decent range should have DC fast charging. You said it - DC Fast chargers are just high power off-board charger.

The only reason Zero does not have DC fast charging is that the designers of the DC fast chargers did not design to the design standard and don't support the relatively low voltage (84 V) of the Zero battery.
 
Some more info on HD Electrics
https://electrek.co/2019/01/07/harley-davidson-livewire-e-motorcycle/
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/300074/harley-davidson-finally-releases-livewire/

HD showed off 2 concept vehicles aside from the Livewire. An electric dirt bike and a scooter. What really interests me is the dirt bike. I'm planning on buying a Sur Ron in the near future and HD's dirtbike looks very similar in design to the Sur Ron, it's a hybrid mountain bike/motorcycle.

Electrek says:
The dirt bike could have the market nearly cornered in the US after the recent shuttering of Alta Motors, the only other US-based electric dirt bike manufacturer.
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But a the Chinese Sur Ron has beat them to the punch. It looks as if the future will be ultra lightweight electric dirtbikes.

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Killroy1999 said:
All electric motorcycles with decent range should have DC fast charging. You said it - DC Fast chargers are just high power off-board charger.

The only reason Zero does not have DC fast charging is that the designers of the DC fast chargers did not design to the design standard and don't support the relatively low voltage (84 V) of the Zero battery.
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As soon as there is an electric motorcycle with decent range that will be true. As it is, decent range electric motorcycles don't exist. The manufacturers are too busy trying to convince everyone that riders need to accept less rather than decent range.

A motorcycle with a refillable fuel tank but can go only 150 miles or so is called out as being short legged. An electric motorcycle that is for practical purposes, done after 150 miles (for the day) in perfect conditions somehow has decent range.:laughing
 
Schnellbandit said:
As soon as there is an electric motorcycle with decent range that will be true. As it is, decent range electric motorcycles don't exist. The manufacturers are too busy trying to convince everyone that riders need to accept less rather than decent range.

A motorcycle with a refillable fuel tank but can go only 150 miles or so is called out as being short legged. An electric motorcycle that is for practical purposes, done after 150 miles (for the day) in perfect conditions somehow has decent range.:laughing
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a motorcycle that can go 150mi on a tank is called short legged? that's news to me.

plenty of sprotbiles are lucky to make it that far
 
Junkie said:
a motorcycle that can go 150mi on a tank is called short legged? that's news to me.

plenty of sprotbiles are lucky to make it that far
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It shouldn't be. Sportbikes aren't intended as everyday machines, even though some use them that way. One of the compromises is shitty range. The difference: it takes a couple minutes to refill your range.
 
Actually I like the Livewire, it's a fine motorcycle. The 30k price tag puts me off and so far everybody else I've seen on a couple different forums.
 
Junkie said:
a motorcycle that can go 150mi on a tank is called short legged? that's news to me.

plenty of sprotbiles are lucky to make it that far
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But you can refill just about anywhere and in only a minute or two. With the electric, you have to park for a minimum of one hour, perhaps most of a day.
 
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