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high side coming out of a fishtail

This is the crash analysis forum. Here's my analysis. You were going too fast for conditions and skill. Slow down until you have more skill. You can also do what others have posted. You can learn on a smaller bike with less horsepower.
 
Either your tires are completely whacko, or you gave it far too much throttle.

How old are your tires? How worn are they? No one is out there selling new tires that highside coming out of parking lots as normal operation.
 
Sorry it happened. Sounds like you really did a number on the bike and that sucks... I feel for you.

As these guys are pointing out, you just have to be more careful when you are riding a bike with that power and one equipped with GP's.
 
True story, I decided to ride my 05 ZX-10R to work this past December. I live 65 miles from my work so I needed to fill up in order to make the round trip. At 6:30am I pulled into the Joe's Travel Plaza to fill up. This is also a Truck stop with a fueling station for big rigs hence there are two driveways exiting the Gas Station. As I was leaving the gas station drive way making a left there was a Semi making a left out of the other driveway to my south. I made the decision that I wanted to get in front of the Semi so I was not stuck behind the big truck on the slow drive down the access road to the freeway. I gave it some throttle to which it spun the rear tire and stepped out to the right. I did not crash, but it caught my attention. Does the ZX-10 always spin the tire at 1/3 throttle... no. Did it spin the tire that morning because it was cold out side, the road was cold and the tires were cold... no it spun the tire because I did not account for the cold air, cold road and cold tires yet I made the choice to attempt to get in front of the truck.

I was able to react and compensate for my poor choice at that moment and continue on in to work. That said I know what caused the problem...me. If you truly want to analyze your crash figure out what you did to contribute to it. A failure to account for conditions and adjust/modify your behavior accordingly is on you not the conditions.
 
I rarely read this section of the forum, but I found this thread interesting. Throttle control and being aware of the conditions are both extremely valuable skills to have. To focus all the blame on one or the other is a mistake. You never know exactly how much traction you have until it starts to slip, that's just how it is. The skill part of that is being able to control the slippage. Sometimes we simply get caught out, it happens too fast and too unexpectedly. Buying a smaller bike or riding slow in parking lots wouldn't solve your problem. It'd simply reduce the chances of breaking traction by minimizing the available circumstances in which the throttle could over power the rear tire. (oiling the surface would do that in a hurry however, again demonstrating that conditions have just as much influence as actions)

What to do? Practice sliding (easily and fairly safely done with small dirtbikes on flat surfaces)

Assuming you keep the same bike, follow the advice and get proper street tires. Would that have made a difference in this case? Maybe, maybe not. But good street tires are designed for a broader range of conditions by far, therefore increasing the available margin of error. (And that's advice from a racer, because I don't bother reselling my take off's to street riders.)

My general advice is to study all the factors that contributed to the crash. If it were simply 100% about the rider's throttle control ability, why do we see far far many more MotoGP guys crashing in the wet versus the dry? Certainly their throttle control doesn't change suddenly. No, it's simply that the conditions become less predictable, the margin for error much smaller.
 
...and they've not got traction control on the front tire, Dave!

Dave's spot on. The correct answer is the recall what happened with your throttle hand. To regain traction, a rider needs to dial back some throttle (or at least not advance it) and pick the bike onto the tire. It sounds as if you carried too much lean angle for the dynamics of the day. We don't NEED as much lean angle to turn the bike at slow speed..and 15-20 is slow.
 
Sorry to get all simple,

but has anyone mentioned one of the very basic pieces of motorcycle advice, the part where you keep a steady throttle in a turn? You dont brake, or accelerate in turns.
 
yeah

Sorry, I wasnt very clear. Never brake HARD, or accelerate HARD out out of a turn. Steady like no sudden bursts.
 
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Yoshiro said:
i dont think i was on/off the throttle. my instint is to either keep it on or let it off.
Archimedes: not much of an angle. It was a typical exit. I wasnt trying to impress anyone. The bike has is well modded with power commander III. I've never had this issue with Pilot Powers.
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Had the same thing happen to me out of a gas station on a rainy day, but i was spinning it up on purpose to show off for some hot yung beezy wit her momz. The rear swung out too wide so i bithced out and chopped the throttle. I did a lil handstand on the handle bars and almost got thrown over the front.

I luv the feel and grip of my soft power races but i dont treat them like i did my pilot powers. mmk:x
 
You mentioned "accelerated mid turn" . That is also your answer. You spun the tire up. No big deal and no mystery. I highsided a bike entering the hot pits at thunderhill doing the same thing. You have to regulate throttle when the tires are cold.
 
Ironbutt said:
Well.. thats what I was talking about. You just asked the same question about what I think made you crash.. That you said you didn't do..

Your supposed to give it gas.

If your tire is spinning and your leaned over and you slow the tire down by braking or letting off the throttle.. it's going to snap the bike into the position of attention..

Command attention from your bike.. Give it gas. Let that tire spin and lean into the turn.. look into the turn.. step on the pegs.. don't let it mount you and start humping like a horny dog. :leghump

I think your being too timid.
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look through the turn
 
My900ss said:
True story, I decided to ride my 05 ZX-10R to work this past December. I live 65 miles from my work so I needed to fill up in order to make the round trip. At 6:30am I pulled into the Joe's Travel Plaza to fill up. This is also a Truck stop with a fueling station for big rigs hence there are two driveways exiting the Gas Station. As I was leaving the gas station drive way making a left there was a Semi making a left out of the other driveway to my south. I made the decision that I wanted to get in front of the Semi so I was not stuck behind the big truck on the slow drive down the access road to the freeway. I gave it some throttle to which it spun the rear tire and stepped out to the right. I did not crash, but it caught my attention. Does the ZX-10 always spin the tire at 1/3 throttle... no. Did it spin the tire that morning because it was cold out side, the road was cold and the tires were cold... no it spun the tire because I did not account for the cold air, cold road and cold tires yet I made the choice to attempt to get in front of the truck.

I was able to react and compensate for my poor choice at that moment and continue on in to work. That said I know what caused the problem...me. If you truly want to analyze your crash figure out what you did to contribute to it. A failure to account for conditions and adjust/modify your behavior accordingly is on you not the conditions.
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There are ALWAYS diesel spills at truck stops. That would be the worst place to fill up a motorcycle. sure you didn't have diesel on tour tires??

To the OP:
Try Dunlop Qualifiers.
 
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