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I f-ing told you so! (Pit Bull attacks over-reported)

I've got German Shepherds. People expect them to bite, they aren't surprised at all (check out the old videos of the race riots in Greenburg, South Carolina). We had a rescue dog that tried to kill my wife after 6 weeks of being a pretty good dog. The trainer at the GSD rescue org said that it isnt unheard of that they kill people, but they don't have the bad press or public relations that pits do. People need to control their dogs. Mine are never out in public, unleashed. Never. I trust them, but I also don't need a lawsuit from some kids parents that my dogs knocked over.

Thats about it, control your dogs. "But he never attacked anyone before." Well, if he was in your backyard, he wouldn't have this time, either.
 
lefty said:
Un%uckingbelievable!!!!!

I do not know whether to laugh or cry at your inability to read .

The man just stated FACTS, and you reply with the same 'emotional' drivel that fuels these media reports.

I'm sorry to offend you, but it is this 'logic'(along with the Michael Vicks of the world) that has created this mess with Pit Bulls.

Just so you know- their INSTINCT is to be extremely loving and kind, towards humans. They were bred to fight animals, but to be extremely passive with humans.
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None of that he stated were facts. It was entirely anecdotal


Pit bulls cause more maimings and catastrophic injuries than other dogs. It's been posted on here before.



Might as well have an abortion debate lol Bo one ever actually makes sense, just emotional response
 
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So, some lady and her husband and kids came into ARF the other week to adopt a dog (I wasn't there, heard the story from a fellow adoption counselor)

Apparently didn't want anything to do with a bully breed, but was interested in meeting Esmerelda (a bully breed............)

Anyhoo, my friend (counselor) goes and gets Esmerelda from her condo. Takes her to meet the family and what does Esmerelda do?????

:wtf she snapped, bit, snarled and generally caused a huge commotion with the family. Kids in tears and a disastrous situation all round

NOT

Silly dog romped into the room, sat down when told, then started head butting the kids and looking to play, all the while tail wagging a hundred miles an hour. Family were all in tears that they had totally black balled based on "what they had heard about bully breeds"

Yeah, well, they adopted Esmerelda :)
 
Like anything potentially dangerous, it has to do with the owners.

If you have a badly trained chihuahua, it will yip all the time and shit everywhere, but as a danger risk, it's low.

But a badly trained pit bull can be a huge danger.

Of course, there is no way to certify good owners and well-trained pets until you find out the hard way.
 
This just in! media distorts facts to get clicks/views/etc.

not news.

( i like pits and pretty much all dogs btw)
 
yellowrasta said:
Funny thing is, I came in here to defend pits; but instead I get finger blasted by some pit owners. Can't imagine why you guys get a bad rap :rolleyes
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Every time I read the phrase "finger blasted" I think of byke:

byke said:
Looks like there's a decent chance she's at the beginning stages of molting. We bought her in spring of last year as a chick and she hasn't gone through her first molting and apparently it's common for them to molt in fall. There's a few feathers on the ground, but nothing out of the ordinary, so I'm not certain just yet. Probably should have done a little more groundwork before finger-blasting the chicken, but that's where we're at...
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Kills me everytime! :laughing

Steve
 
kevin 714 said:
None of that he stated were facts. It was entirely anecdotal


Pit bulls cause more maimings and catastrophic injuries than other dogs. It's been posted on here before.



Might as well have an abortion debate lol Bo one ever actually makes sense, just emotional response
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And... they have a higher population than other breeds, so... it's like the UK's insurance companies charging owners of red cars more than other colors, because they are involved in more accidents. Have a guess at the most popular car color in the UK?

Regardless, correlation != causation, even though the correlation in this case, is actually a little LESS than the average for other dogs, after taking population into account, hence the Dutch INCREASE in dog attacks after banning 'dangerous' breeds.

And NONE of this takes into account the sad-but-true common ownership profile of a lot of pitties, thanks again to the press stereotype - the worst kind of people to own a big, powerful dog are generally those that want to own a big, powerful dog.

I like mine (and I've fostered 17 of them) because of their nature - kind, loyal, very loving, very gentle, playful.

Take any dog and treat it like shit and it'll behave badly; the bad press around pit bulls has helped create and perpetuate a common, piss-poor ownership profile.
 
Joebar4000 said:
Their 'bread in' instinct is to NOT bite humans. Just sayin'. Were you implying baked in perchance? ;)

Biggest correlation in *all* dog attacks are non-nuetered, non-socialized male dog, neglected and restrained.

Ownership profile has a much higher correlation than breed with regards to likelihood of there being a problem.

Dog bite hospitalizations have consistently hovered around 800K per year, for decades, despite changing breed populations.

Recently the Dutch reversed a 20+ year pittie ban because not only were dog bite stats not improved, they actually worsened. With no pits in the population. Go figure.

Apart from the damage done to dogs due to the press's aggrandization of them as a 'bad dog' and therefore more likely to be abused (and therefore more likely to be a problem - shocking...), there is this stupid, stupid conception that dogs are 'safe' as long as they aren't a pit bull.

All breeds of dogs are potentially dangerous, all breeds are responsible for hospitalization.

The under-reporting of other breeds in attacks has resulted in a lackadaisical attitude among owners that allows that 800K number to remain pretty static.

FYI, pits are responsible for hospitalizations in about 1 in 19,000, less than spaniels and labs. Despite having every ownership-abuse reason for being higher. :|
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Dog ownership should be predicated on owner having a $1 million liability policy and mandatory minimum sentencing if their dog injures someone.
 
Meter Man said:
Dog ownership should be predicated on owner having a $1 million liability policy and mandatory minimum sentencing if their dog injures someone.
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I think you just went from nothing to way-too-much in one step. But, agree it should be the owner that suffers, not the dog. Currently licensing is a joke, as are neglect/cruelty charges.

I think a reasonable licensing fee that includes compulsory spay/neuter and a simple home-check, and a basic background check would be more reasonable - but many would still think this an over-reach.

FWIW, most of the volunteer-run dog-rescues insist on an interview, background check and home check before they'll let you take a dog. Should be SOP for all pets, IMO.
 
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Bay Arean said:
Pit bulls and Subarus are great!!!!!!! Sorry, could not resist given other thread.
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:)

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My little GSP is a fucking bitch. And my Macaws can bite your finger off.
 
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Lucy bit my heart. She was a sweetheart.

Joebar4000 said:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/fetch/2..._ids=732871526736041&fb_action_types=og.likes


"Animal control officers across the country have told the ASPCA that when they alert the media to a dog attack, news outlets respond that they have no interest in reporting on the incident unless it involved a pit bull."

“Whilst we all strive for safe cities, the real damage that has been done with BSL (breed-specific legislation) has not been portrayed much by the press. Families having to flee cities, a steady increase of dog bites during ban periods, a lack of interviews with experts, the negative economic impact of costs of BSL and mostly: the failure to cover stories pertinent to all/any breed, including all circumstances, which are key to analyzing the true cause of any attack …”
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yellowrasta said:
I love pits. The ones I know were raised the right way and are some of the most loyal dogs I've ever seen. That said, the fact is, pits are bread to behave a certain way and there may come a time when their doggy instincts get the better of them.
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Havent read past this post yet..... ill tespond more once ive read whole thread,

But youre talkin out your ass son....
 
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