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I f-ing told you so! (Pit Bull attacks over-reported)


You'll get no argument from me.

You don't think it reasonable with the near 1 million reported dog attacks each year to require owners to be financially and legally responsible for their animals?

The idiots who own the Boerboel/mastiff in my neighborhood don't have a pot to piss in. When that dog kills a kid (it's attacked more than a few people and cars) the financial compensation for the victim will be nil.

Most people shouldn't own a dog of any kind. Owning a dog that can kill an adult increases the level of responsibility.
 
you will NEVER hear about an Asian getting attacked by a pitbull....EVER!!!

While you round eyes panic in fear whenever a pitbull is present, we aZn just say the magic word, "yum yum" and the dogs will run in fear...

matter of fact, you will never hear a dog bark when an asian is around..they know not to attract attention to themselves...we'll come back with ginger and some soy sauce..

so the next time you round eyes happen to cross path with a pitbull that is snarling, barking, growling, and showing it's fangs, just calmly lean your face towards them and whisper the words, "yummy yum yum" and the pitbull will fear you..

go try it...
 
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This little asshole doesn't even take her out to dinner first before shoving his tongue into her mouth.... :facepalm

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It can be exhausting to be the responsible owner of a dangerous dog. We love this dog, Dave posted about trying to find a rescue to take her a couple years ago rather than send her to the vet to be PTS because we were not sure we could commit to the responsibility of an unbalanced dog. However, she must be monitored all the frickin time. When out in public, when people come over, when we drive down the road. Dogs with issues don't have to be PTS, but the owners have to know they have a ticking time bomb. Chloe could have done lots of damage in another home by now, people with less common sense could have excused her minor incidents and ended up with a person requiring extensive reconstructive surgery. The first signs of inexcusable behavior had us at the behaviorist figuring out what happened, not to excuse her but to understand what makes her tick. The person quoting a million dollar policy is really not far off. I work in an industry where people's lives are destroyed frequently by dog bites. Between the lost income, the medical costs and residual pain, it adds up. I have a spot on my hand that will never stop hurting due to nerve damage from a cocker spaniel that was tranq'ed and bit down and would not let go. He didn't break skin deeply oddly enough but the constant force of old rounded teeth compressed the muscle and nerve and bruised the bone. I was out of work for 2 weeks. That was a year and a half ago. The reality is it is about owners. Fucked up dogs can have happy lives, Chloe sure does. She is loved and spoiled and well fed. She has toys to de-fuzz and antlers to gnaw on. She has a yard to run in and a few visitors she likes and we trust her with. She gets to go to the shop with me as training and she has shown great improvement over the last few months. But she will never go to the dog park or the beach or the hiking trail or those places other dogs get to go off leash and unmuzzled. Why? Because I would be devastated if my dog did to a person what client's dogs have done to me and thousands of pet groomers across the country because they were "annoyed" or "not in the mood for that today". And yes, people actually think groomers cause the dogs to bite them, that the act of picking up the dog's foot to cut it's nails warrants an ER visit and stitches because the dog simply acted out, not that the owners never bothered to teach the dog some manners about being handled. Rant over, sorry....stupid people with dogs piss me off.
 
Interesting that almost universally, every pet-professional I've ever met or who expressed an opinion, blames the owner for piss-poor behaved dogs, but the people who have the strongest opinion that it IS the breed, are people who don't even have dogs.
 
Interesting that almost universally, every pet-professional I've ever met or who expressed an opinion, blames the owner for piss-poor behaved dogs, but the people who have the strongest opinion that it IS the breed, are people who don't even have dogs.

You do get the difference in responsibility/danger of a dog that can kill an adult vs cannot?

That is my gripe. A poor owner of a shitzu or toy poodle poses no threat to me.


A poor owner of a pit, pit mix, GSD, mastiff, or other large dog poses a threat to me.
 
You do get the difference in responsibility/danger of a dog that can kill an adult vs cannot?

That is my gripe. A poor owner of a shitzu or toy poodle poses no threat to me.


A poor owner of a pit, pit mix, GSD, mastiff, or other large dog poses a threat to me.
this-my old neighbors poodles would bark and throw themselves at my fence- no problem-my new neighbors pit is breaking and eating his way thru my fence- big problem.why would someone have a dog that you can't take for a walk,can't throw a ball to, can't let out of the house when the neighbors are in the back yard?i don't get it.i have had goldens,chesapeakes,weimareiners,labs and i have never seen this behavior in any of them, although i am sure these breeds bite people.i couldn't get homeowners insurance if i had had pits,dobies, rottweilers etc.-must be something to it.
 
AWESOME! !!!!!!!!!

Damn, I owe you a beer.


Swap beer for a pepsi n you got a deal.:thumbup


This post might be a lil long, so my apologies upfront.

Ive been heavily involved with pitbulls since a very young age. Its the only breed my family owned growing up. Some breeding went on, not much, maybe a litter a year. But we always had many purebred, "papered" pitbulls. Dozens n dozens of books on pitbulls and their history were in my house growing up. Ive met n become friends with numerous old school pitt guys who founded/started some of their own bloodlines that are very well known in the pitt world. So my so called knowledge on them, is usually above most other peoples.


That bein said... lets put certain bullshit claims to rest.

Pitbulls were originally created out of other terrier type dogs centuries ago. Mainly rat terrier type dogs due to their very high prey drive. The pitbull was NOT originally created to be a fighting dog. It was originally created to be bigger n stronger than most rat terrier type dogs to chase down n kill certain pests n other unwanted critters in the area. Many househokds/farms of the time had numerous pitbull dogs that all got along fine n no fighting was occuring. Both the rat terriers n early version pitbulls were used in a popular past time of rat killing. Basically letting a dog loose on a group of rats n seeing how many they can catch n kill in a certain amount of time.

Then, came "baiting". Basically letting dog(s) loose on an animal in an effort to kill or bring it down. It was done in a "wild" sense, and also in a controlled betting/sporting sense. Pitbull type dogs excelled in this immensely. Many, many breeds of dogs in history have been used in "baiting" n hunting. Its not solely pitbulls. Actually, pitbulls are technically the "newbs" when it comes to baiting and even fighting. There have been dogs, wolves, even certain wild cats used in fighting WAY BEFORE pitbulls were even around. However, if a person hears "dogfighting", the breed in their head is what? Yup, a pitbull.

So you see, pitbulls were in fact NOT created for fighting. But yes, they were created with prey drive, intensity, determination, and very high pain tolerance in mind. They basically were the "superdog" of the times, and still are.

Original pitbulls are nothin like pitbulls of today. At most, they weighed in at 30-40 pounds. Very lean n athletic. Longer muzzle and taller than most of todays variations. The ears were usually cropped to avoid being bitten off by struggling rats or other animals the dogs were hunting/bringing down. Original ear cropping had nothin to do with an advantage in the fighting ring or with "looking mean". The pitbull was a working dog, and many true dog experts still classify them as such.


Then came fighting. Again, dogfighting or "pitting" was around long before pitbulls. It is NOT an evil that solely belongs to them.

Dog men of the day wanted to show or prove their dog was better than the next guys, so they decided to pitt them against eachother. Its actually documented how it was difficult to get pitbulls to attack other dogs, since alot of bull/bear baiting used numerous dogs at once like a "team". They actually had to tie dead rats around the necks of the dogs in order to associate the other dog as "prey". Once these dogs started lookin at other dogs as prey, it was a done deal, dogfighting and pitbulls went hand n hand. And yes, pitbulls far exceeded other breeds n literally destroyed the competition. But again, PITBULLS WERE NOT CREATED FOR DOG FIGHTING, NOR WAS ATTACKING OTHER DOGS THEIR "INSTINCT".

Once dogfighting came to be, it was nearly a regulated sport. Nothin like these piece of shit breeders/fighters of today. There were rules n guidelines in place. One important rule was, a nuetral/stranger had to handle and bathe the dog prior to entering the ring and also once inside the ring. The bathing ensured no harmful chemicals were used on the dog to harm the opposing dog. And same thing once in the ring. So these dogs, since their creation and also since their involvement in fighting, have been VERY accepting n peaceful towards humans. Both their owners, and complete strangers. IT IS NOT THEIR INSTINCT TO BE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS HUMANS. IT IS IN FACT THE OPPOSITE. IT IS THEIR INSTINCT TO BE SUBMISSIVE TO HUMANS. These dogs were cherished by their owners. They were loved family members, very well taken care of, and almost NEVER were these fights to the death. These fights were called at poibt of "submission". Basically once the dog tapped out, the dogs were imnediately seperated and both dogs were nursed back to health and any injuries were attended to. It was similar to nursing a prize boxer back to health n retraining him to be better in his next fight. They were fed very well, very high protein meals and spent huge amounts of time with chikdren. The activeness of children aided in their conditioning. Tread mills didnt exist back then. So you see, since their creation, pitbulls have had a huge, connection n bond to humans, on a level that alot of other breeds never experienced.

No other dog on the planet loves their "people" to the point that pitbulls do. To say otherwise jus shows an individuals ignorance and media fueled hatred/concern towards them. A pitbulks entire world revolves around pleasing people. Its why pitbulls far exceed other breeds in weight pulling. A different breed will reach a point of exhaustion/pain and quit. However a pitbull will continue to push no matter what, as long as their owner is still cheering it on.

Now, why such a great dog attacks people and why they get all the spotlight.

Pitbulls are not the breed to jus "own". They are not the breed to jus toss out in a yard, and ignore them completely aside from topping off their food n water. Due to their instinctual desire n need for human interaction, and due to their instinctual very high prey drive, that "energy" NEEDS to be directed and controlled. I gaurantee, pitbulls are NOT responsible for the most dog bites worldwide. They are however, the most publicized breed pertaing to dog bites. Chihuahuas bite peopke every, fuckin, day. However, nobody cares or is scared of chihuahuas, so it goes unreported. And there are many, MANY breeds capable of taking down n mauling/killing a grown adult human. However, as i said, its not their instinct to be viscious towards humans, but IT IS their instinct to never give up, no matter what the task at hand is. A golden retriever bites people every day as well, however, after the initial bite(s), the GR "gives up. Unfortunately for pitbulls, they do not know the meaning of "give up". They continue the attack. Ill be the first to admit that this is a huge, horrible aspect of pitbulls. I wish that it was just a quick bite to say 'leave me alone' n thats it. Sadly, its not, and the pitbulls drive n determination take over n the attack continues. But again, they dont instinctualky hate humans, they jus do not know how to direct n channel their determination n prey drive due to piss poor owners.

Rottweilers, dobermans, german sheppards, akitas, boxers, american bulldogs, mastiffs, cane corsos, dogge de beaurdeux, n few others visciously attack people everyday. And honestly, i dont need this "article" to prove the media only wants stories pertaining to pitbulls. Fuck, thats been common knowledge fact for decades. The media has to touch on peopkes emotions. Wether it be fear, desire, sexual, greed, etc...fear is most likely the highest lucrative emotion for media outlets. Jus another reason, every sumner since ive been born, theres an update about those killer bees on their way up to the US ready cause chaos n kill off the population. Fear, it works.


So please, before any dumbass wants to toss around bullshit accusations regarding pitbulls and what their "instincts" are, do some actial fuckin research so you can see how full of donkey shit you really are.
 
Chow chows and sharpeis were original fighting dogs but since many people own them and breed them as luxury dogs, the media look the other way..
 
You do get the difference in responsibility/danger of a dog that can kill an adult vs cannot?

That is my gripe. A poor owner of a shitzu or toy poodle poses no threat to me.


A poor owner of a pit, pit mix, GSD, mastiff, or other large dog poses a threat to me.

I just envisioned you tripping on one (shitzu) at the top of a flight of stairs, or crashing your moto on one.

You have to admit, all dog owners being responsible, will collectively make a positive impact. The complacency among pet owners is most problematic.
 
You do get the difference in responsibility/danger of a dog that can kill an adult vs cannot?

That is my gripe. A poor owner of a shitzu or toy poodle poses no threat to me.


A poor owner of a pit, pit mix, GSD, mastiff, or other large dog poses a threat to me.

...ish...

I understand the point. It's a bit like the argument for smaller magazines/non auto weapons tho - and the rebuttal.

Pomeranians have killed, so have other tiny breeds. Sadly, the media hype over large dogs has resulted in the weird perception that smaller dogs are somehow now magically 'safe'. I've had more than one other-breed owner say to me upon approaching their dog, 'Oh it's ok, they're safe, it's not like they're a pit bull or anything (stupid laugh)'.

A poor owner of A DOG poses a threat to you. Small dogs (spaniels, especially) are responsible for a shit-ton of facial reconstruction surgeries every year (please don't ask me to re-research the links, I went over all this with Terry about 4 years ago).

It's worth repeating, 800,000 hospitalizations a year from dog bites - many, MANY of which are Labs, spaniels, other 'safe' breeds.

The biggest disservice the witch-hunt against pits and the like has caused, is arguably the lowering of defenses and common-sense around all OTHER dogs.

ALL dogs can bite. Period. Failing to report other breeds attacking has created a false sense of security around other dogs, and the carnage continues.

The press has a lot to answer for.
 
I just envisioned you tripping on one (shitzu) at the top of a flight of stairs, or crashing your moto on one.

You have to admit, all dog owners being responsible, will collectively make a positive impact. The complacency among pet owners is most problematic.

The only way, as I see it, to create this responsibility is through the use of carrots and sticks.

Stick = mandatory liability insurance, criminal penalties of the owners etc

Carrot = free neuter/spay, better dog parks etc

I've owned dogs in the past. My childhood to college dog was a chow/malamute. Both dogs that bite and are aggressive. We were lucky he wasn't. But owning a large energetic dog means a high level if attention is needed, socialization needs to be regularly done, proper training as well. Most people don't have the ability to properly take care of a dog and choose large breed dogs of the moment to neglect: GSDs, Dobermans, mastiffs, various bull terriers, rotts, Akitas, those bear fighting dogs from Russia that were everywhere in the 90s, and so on.

Ultimately the problem in my community is lack of enforcement. When I call police and sheriff a dozen time due to a 150lb Beorboel charging me in my own yard without it being taken care of I get a bit upset. I don't like having to threaten people with killing their dog to get them to keep it secured. I don't like having to kick a dog or shake if off my boot as it latches on while in riding my motorcycle down the street. I don't like having to strike a lab/boxer mix in the head with a spade shovel because it cornered me in my garage.

All if these things have happened to me. I shouldn't have to be concerned with taking a walk in my neighborhood because people are irresponsible.

Fucking mayonnaise sandwich eating white trash cunts shouldn't be allowed to own dogs.
 
pits have hearts of gold. people who abuse and exploit their power should be shot in the head. and people who can't distinguish between an animals innate nature, and what has been forced upon it do no good service to man or beast.
 
...ish...

I understand the point. It's a bit like the argument for smaller magazines/non auto weapons tho - and the rebuttal.

Pomeranians have killed, so have other tiny breeds. Sadly, the media hype over large dogs has resulted in the weird perception that smaller dogs are somehow now magically 'safe'. I've had more than one other-breed owner say to me upon approaching their dog, 'Oh it's ok, they're safe, it's not like they're a pit bull or anything (stupid laugh)'.

A poor owner of A DOG poses a threat to you. Small dogs (spaniels, especially) are responsible for a shit-ton of facial reconstruction surgeries every year (please don't ask me to re-research the links, I went over all this with Terry about 4 years ago).

It's worth repeating, 800,000 hospitalizations a year from dog bites - many, MANY of which are Labs, spaniels, other 'safe' breeds.

The biggest disservice the witch-hunt against pits and the like has caused, is arguably the lowering of defenses and common-sense around all OTHER dogs.

ALL dogs can bite. Period. Failing to report other breeds attacking has created a false sense of security around other dogs, and the carnage continues.

The press has a lot to answer for.

A-fuckin-men!!!

Agree 100000000%
 
OK, only because I've signed in to respond to a PM, so I didn't have to sign in just to post this reply.

We're on our third pit bull; first one died of old age, second and third still with us, all were rescued from the pound or on their way to the pound. Every one was/is a wonderful dog in a house full of grandkids.

OTOH, I am very careful of strangers coming into the house, they need to be introduced to the dogs, "just in case." Never had a problem, don't think I ever will, however these dogs, as has been noted by others in this thread, are dangerous. When I take one for a walk, the dog is on a very stout choker chain. Again, never had a problem, don't want one. I treat the full-grown dog just like a firearm, she's always "loaded."

One time a guy not introduced to the deceased adult dog walked into our home, alone; a new friend of my wife's daughter, he should have knocked on the front door, but didn't. The dog jumped up, caught the guy's hand in her mouth, stared him down, and held the guy in place until I came into the room. Did not draw a drop of blood. I gave her an extra bone for her effort. The guy had to clean his shorts. That pit bull was not trained in any way other than to be a family dog. They are by nature very protective.

The three out of three pit bulls in my personal experience are wonderful dogs but you do need to respect them. Some individual dogs may be uncontrollable, however we have that problem with humans, too.

Owners who mistreat dogs, or treat them to fight (a football player comes to mind) should be imprisoned.

Lex
 
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