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M 900 monster

ob1ventura said:
Good point; thanks.:thumbup

She has been doing a bit of riding on my '01 dyna. No choke (took it off as well as the vac line for the stock petcock) no idiot lights (except oil) no speedo, no kill switch for the side stand etc. Air fuel and spark and 2 wheels :laughing Still better she starts off w/ both wheels on the ground!
She knows to carry some throttle till it's well warmed up.

Does the painter do bikes other than Ducs? Could use a decent painter.

Thanks again........ob
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With that ^^^ she'd have no problem with flatslides, imo.

The flatslides took away the high speed cut offs when you were hit by a heavy crosswind. Not that she's going to be speeding of course, but it's as close to ie. as you will get with a carb.

As for not staying on when cold, you can turn the idle knob "on" a bit, and that is the same as holding the throttle open a bit (poor mans choke?), while warming up. Besides, if your valves are in spec, even with the flatslides, it should crank up fairly quickly (1st or 2nd attempt) and should stay on, by itself. otherwise, your valves may be headed out of spec.

I think no matter what Monster she gets, she'll be happy. But nothing compares to the jingle and roar of the open clutch Monster!
 
machete said:
With that ^^^ she'd have no problem with flatslides, imo.

The flatslides took away the high speed cut offs when you were hit by a heavy crosswind. Not that she's going to be speeding of course, but it's as close to ie. as you will get with a carb.
As for not staying on when cold, you can turn the idle knob "on" a bit, and that is the same as holding the throttle open a bit (poor mans choke?), while warming up. Besides, if your valves are in spec, even with the flatslides, it should crank up fairly quickly (1st or 2nd attempt) and should stay on, by itself. otherwise, your valves may be headed out of spec.

I think no matter what Monster she gets, she'll be happy. But nothing compares to the jingle and roar of the open clutch Monster!
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Thanks Machete and I agree. Proud of her progress.
Good point re: the valves.
At the risk of looking stupid I'm going to admit I'm not sure what you are saying in the bold paragraph. "high speed cut offs"? She had better be wearing leather; not cut offs!!:mad

BTW she took particular interest in the fact the you tour your Monster. Not so concerned about the comfort but the range. :thumbup
 
Kornholio said:
FWIW, a 2002 M620 has nearly the same power as a 2002 M750ie.

M620: 60HP, 39.3 lb-ft of torque
M750ie: 64HP, 45.7 lb-ft of torque

...I sincerely doubt she'll be able to tell the difference. Either way, neither of those bikes feels anemic to me...and I had an M900. If she wants a sportbike, then she'll get one. Monster's aren't sportbikes nor are they muscle cruisers. Sure, there's people that build them up to be one, or they buy S4's (I'll refrain from making comments on those :p ), but the original Monster's were, at least to me (and what I've read from Ducati's articles), intended to be urban standards with good power to tool around on and still be able to carve a canyon every once in a while. I think it was said in another thread, but 70 HP is more than enough for anyone to have fun and still get into trouble. There's nothing wrong with the M620 and it certainly holds a candle to the M750 that was sold at the same time for the first two years of the M620's life. I think the real reason that people get stuck on the M900's is because of the dry clutch. If you must have the rattling tambourine, then yeah the 900 is the only way to go.

Don't get me wrong, I loved my M900. But honestly, after spending enough time on the smaller Monsters, I wouldn't pass one up for a second assuming the price was right. The 2002 750ie is really the best deal there is IMO. Barring that, there's nothing wrong with an older one (assuming you don't mind the single front disc...which I believe Ducati remedied in 2001 for the 750 models anyway), or an M620. Like I said earlier, to most riders, the power output difference is going to be negligible.

Now dealing with a red-key Monster...well that's a whole different argument. :laughing
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I had an 01 S4. As I mentioned. An honest 95hp, 67 lb ft of torques. Never did I need more power. Docile enough that my wife rode it, after owning a GZ250. I kind of miss it, and kept it 5 1/2 years, longer than any other bikes besides a CT70. A lot of people discount the waterpumper 4 valvers , but mine was dead nuts reliable for 5 + years. I'd buy another one, maybe an S4R or S4RS. Even more power. The power puts them head and shoulders above the air cooled 900s. And wheelies in 3rd. What more could you want?
 
ob1ventura said:
Thanks Machete and I agree. Proud of her progress.
Good point re: the valves.
At the risk of looking stupid I'm going to admit I'm not sure what you are saying in the bold paragraph. "high speed cut offs"? She had better be wearing leather; not cut offs!!:mad

BTW she took particular interest in the fact the you tour your Monster. Not so concerned about the comfort but the range. :thumbup
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:laughing yes, she better be wearing some good gear. Leathers prefered.

No, what I meant by high speed cutoffs, is that at higher speeds, on the hwy...say, theoretically, 80-90mph cruising, and you are hit by a diagonal crosswind (heavy winds), it will drown out the bike (with stock carbs) and shut off briefly until the fuel/air mixture even out. Since the bike is rolling, it will just bump start itself. Kinda like when you run out of gas on the Harley and have to turn the petcock to reserve. Did the same on my FXSTS with a pingel petcock.
Not good when your buddys are all following close behind, at same speeds. :laughing
 
machete said:
No, what I meant by high speed cutoffs, is that at higher speeds, on the hwy...say, theoretically, 80-90mph cruising, and you are hit by a diagonal crosswind (heavy winds), it will drown out the bike (with stock carbs) and shut off briefly until the fuel/air mixture even out. Since the bike is rolling, it will just bump start itself. Kinda like when you run out of gas on the Harley and have to turn the petcock to reserve. Did the same on my FXSTS with a pingel petcock.
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I'm pretty sure that only happens if someone "improved" the carburetors by removing the tubes that go to those little grey pods on the side of the frame. That never happened on mine, which had an open airbox and updated jetting, but no other modifications in the emissions equipment or other carburetor connections.
 
MrIncredible said:
As far as painting tanks I know one guy in NH who basically does nothing but duc tanks-very reasonably priced.
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Apparently he's building a house all summer and won't be able to get back to painting until the fall. :thumbup

corndog67 said:
A lot of people discount the waterpumper 4 valvers , but mine was dead nuts reliable for 5 + years. I'd buy another one, maybe an S4R or S4RS. Even more power. The power puts them head and shoulders above the air cooled 900s. And wheelies in 3rd. What more could you want?
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It's not about the reliability whatsoever. It's about the ugliness of all the extra parts for the water-cooling. At least, that's the issue with them for me. That and adding unneeded complexity to a bike that was supposed to be simple.
 
MrIncredible said:
If I recall that mod leaves one with no choke, which can be obnoxious on a cold morning.

As far as painting tanks I know one guy in NH who basically does nothing but duc tanks-very reasonably priced.
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My 625SMC had an FCR41 from the factory. It also had a big fuel tank that prevented access to the choke.

Since the FCR is a pumper carb, you can just give it a twist or two before you hit the button and it'll fire right up. Hell, I could start mine 1st kick most of the time when it was 40F.
 
Kornholio said:
Apparently he's building a house all summer and won't be able to get back to painting until the fall. :thumbup



It's not about the reliability whatsoever. It's about the ugliness of all the extra parts for the water-cooling. At least, that's the issue with them for me. That and adding unneeded complexity to a bike that was supposed to be simple.
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But...for all the complexity (fuel injection, water pump, hoses and radiator), that sum bitch hauled ass. Unless.the road opened up over 125 mph, it could stay in front. Very stout bike. Fun. Fun. Fun. I'm just sayin' , don't write them off, the performance is quite a bit higher than the air cooled.
 
Again, if I wanted a sport bike, I would've gotten one. The Monster has plenty of get up and go without all that ugly water-cooling crap.
 
machete said:
:laughing yes, she better be wearing some good gear. Leathers prefered.

No, what I meant by high speed cutoffs, is that at higher speeds, on the hwy...say, theoretically, 80-90mph cruising, and you are hit by a diagonal crosswind (heavy winds), it will drown out the bike (with stock carbs) and shut off briefly until the fuel/air mixture even out. Since the bike is rolling, it will just bump start itself. Kinda like when you run out of gas on the Harley and have to turn the petcock to reserve. Did the same on my FXSTS with a pingel petcock.
Not good when your buddys are all following close behind, at same speeds. :laughing
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:laughing Thanks.

Remember going from the TL to the HD w/ a pingel leaving the Rock Store in So. Cal. Forgot to turn the petcock on and of course the bike sputtered shortly after leaving the crowded parking lot. Felt about the same as digging a hole w/ the driver in front of the club house.

Have an open K&N on the '01. Rained solid from just past Palmdale to Carson City. Carb kept filling up. Rode most of the way w/ left hand on right end of the bar and right hand in front of the K&N:ride No problem w/ the high speed cut off however.

One of the first things I had her do w/ the '01 was sit on the bike and turn the petcock w/o looking.
 
corndog67 said:
But...for all the complexity (fuel injection, water pump, hoses and radiator), that sum bitch hauled ass. Unless.the road opened up over 125 mph, it could stay in front. Very stout bike. Fun. Fun. Fun. I'm just sayin' , don't write them off, the performance is quite a bit higher than the air cooled.
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Thanks corndog.

As much as I appriciate the 10r w/ injection and water cooled the kid is a chip off the very old block and prefers the simplicity of air cooled for bike such as the monster.

This will piss some off perhaps but like the HD, some of the attraction to the Monster (as Jason put it) is in it's siplicity.

Air, fuel and spark baby:thumbup
 
ob1ventura said:
Thanks corndog.

As much as I appriciate the 10r w/ injection and water cooled the kid is a chip off the very old block and prefers the simplicity of air cooled for bike such as the monster.

This will piss some off perhaps but like the HD, some of the attraction to the Monster (as Jason put it) is in it's siplicity.

Air, fuel and spark baby:thumbup
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:thumbup

Giggity.

I like your girl's mindset. If you were closer I'd let her hop on my beast. :)
 
ob1ventura said:
Very generous Cootz :thumbup but I would let her get a few more mi under her belt first. :ride
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You realize that bike was loaned to me for, eh, six months... and that I was a fairly new rider and that Mr. and Ms. Incredible didn't really even know me. I figure I can pass along a little love to your girl. :)
 
Kornholio said:
My first vote for no goes to this one...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/3964129237.html

I want some of what that guy is smoking. :laughing
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..and how much would you pay for this one Jason?

how much would you pay for a motorcycle that could go 100k miles with basic maintenance, and not having to ride it like a grandma?

Of course I would still haggle him down (since that's just asking price anyway) but at what point is longevity taken into account? :)
 
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