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Missing emissions stickers

KooLaid

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I'll try to keep it short but maybe this 2 week ordeal will help someone in the future. Unfortunately for me, my unicorn was sold out from underneath me while sitting on the dealer floor on the east coast.

I was trying to purchase a used 2019 MV Agusta Dragster RC from a non MV dealer on the east coast. As most of us know, any street driven moto purchased from anywhere must be California and/or 50 state emissions legal if purchased new or used(with under 7,500 miles). This particular bike was missing the emissions stickers. Actually it appeared to be missing EVERY sticker from the frame for aesthetic reasons by the previous owner. I called multiple California MV dealers just to finally get one shop to confirm emissions status. Pro Italia confirmed by the sales manager that all 2019 MVs should be 50 state emissions bikes. However, no dealer in California willing to offer the sale of replacement emissions stickers for various reasons from abuse of it, to not even acknowledging that they can order one. This was enough for me to want to buy the bike, ship it and TRY to get the stickers for registration. I made some calls to various east coast MV shops (to get the selling dealer to convince a MV dealer to order the stickers I needed) and all I got was lots of "We'll look into it and let you know".

Any how I received an email from someone directly at MV today and I decided to risk the money on a potential MV Agusta Paperweight. I call up the dealer and they sold it to someone else. I got the: "We've been trying to contact you with the information on the sticker".....not according to my call logs or my work direct line. Bummer.

Any ways, here's what I got from MV Agusta if you ever fall into a similar emissions sticker situation like I did.

thank you for contacting Mv Agusta.


We kindly inform you that this label can be requested at an official Mv Agusta dealer.
There have been cases where customers remove the certification labels from the frames of motorcycles for various reasons (aesthetics, repainting, etc.). Many states or provinces will NOT allow the motorcycle to be registered without these labels. This usually occurs when a motorcycle is brought in from another state and a Department of Motor Vehicles inspection is required.


These labels are an integral part of the motorcycle's certification, and removing them makes the vehicle illegal for street use. They MUST NOT be removed for any reason.



Regulatory labels are not supplied as spare parts since they are specific to each VIN and model. Reprinting them requires production at the factory to be interrupted, for motorcycles older than 8-10 years the factory no longer has the print files, meaning labels cannot be printed.


You can request these labels at an official dealer, this service will have a cost to pay at the dealer directly.
It will be mandatory to show proof of ownership of the vehicle.


We remain at your disposal for any further information.
Kind regards
 
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Man, that sounds too bad. I'm not even going to complain about the runaround. That's just the way it is. I'm just sorry it kept you from getting your bike.
 
Too bad but maybe for the best. Missing VIN tags and stickers makes me wonder if stolen goods. And replacing the labels sounds like a risky uncertainty. There will be other bikes sooner or later.
 
This reminds me. does anyone still have any of those "fuck your lane hogging low emission vehicle" stickers?
 
It's pretty bad when it all comes down to a tiny plastic sticker instead of the vehicle to register a vehicle...
 
No, it comes down to having the proper emissions equipment. The manufacturers built bikes with varying levels of emissions controls. The sticker is proof that the bike has or at least had the proper emissions equipment for California.
Did you ever experience the brown fog that was over most cities? That's a thing of the past because of emissions standards.
 
Yea I passed on a ktm 890r up in Oregon, it's a 50 state bike but since owner removed the emissions sticker I wasn't gonna risk it.


I did register and change ownerships on the last bike via aaa and they don't actually go out and actually check the bike, in DMV I recall they match vin and engine #'s and check emission stickers
 
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No, it comes down to having the proper emissions equipment. The manufacturers built bikes with varying levels of emissions controls. The sticker is proof that the bike has or at least had the proper emissions equipment for California.
Did you ever experience the brown fog that was over most cities? That's a thing of the past because of emissions standards.

No..it comes down to the sticker...

Even when the bike is built to fed..regulations the end result is determined
By the plastic sticker!..that the company paid for!...
 
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I did register and change ownerships on the last bike via aaa and they don't actually go out and actually check the bike, in DMV I recall they match vin and engine #'s and check emission stickers

AAA told me that they couldn't register a vehicle I purchased out-of-state. It was new from a dealer and I didn't have a title so maybe that was part of the issue and it would have worked if it had been a used vehicle.
 
And speaking of stickers ..
The dmv in grass valley wouldn't register my ktm that I bought in Reno!..
Because the stickers said KTMRacing..
After removing the stickers they registered it with a plate.. later!:laughing
 
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That sux it's one of those it just wasn't meant to be situations.
 
Ducati used to put the stickers on the emissions stickers on the air box maybe for this reason, only you must pay the price of being forced to tow your bike to the DMV partially dismantled to give clear access to that sticker or coming with the skills to get access by yourself.
 
Yeah I've seen them on the frames, under the seat and on the head tube. What's sucks though is MV Agusta is putting them on the lower back of the upper fork tube! So every owner is going to take them off

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Yeah I've seen them on the frames, under the seat and on the head tube. What's sucks though is MV Agusta is putting them on the lower back of the upper fork tube! So every owner is going to take them off


Oh brother. That's as bad as dirt bike tags on the fork tube, cuz like no one ever needs to service their forks :rolleyes
 
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AAA told me that they couldn't register a vehicle I purchased out-of-state. It was new from a dealer and I didn't have a title so maybe that was part of the issue and it would have worked if it had been a used vehicle.
Same happened to me on a 27 year old bike.AAA Mountain View said they don't do out of state motorxycles. Had to do the CHP and DMV route. It was a 49-state bike BTW.
 
AAA told me that they couldn't register a vehicle I purchased out-of-state. It was new from a dealer and I didn't have a title so maybe that was part of the issue and it would have worked if it had been a used vehicle.
Same happened to me on a 27 year old bike.AAA Mountain View said they don't do out of state motorcycles. Had to do the CHP and DMV route. It was a 49-state bike BTW.
 
Yeah I've seen them on the frames, under the seat and on the head tube. What's sucks though is MV Agusta is putting them on the lower back of the upper fork tube! So every owner is going to take them off

That doesn't seem right. Are you sure about it? I've never seen an emissions sticker on fork tubes. I was under the impression they had to be on a frame or engine (or support member bolted to frame).
 
That doesn't seem right. Are you sure about it? I've never seen an emissions sticker on fork tubes. I was under the impression they had to be on a frame or engine (or support member bolted to frame).

I've seen it mentioned in a couple reviews.
https://livingwithgravity.com/mv-agusta-brutale-800-review/

Me personally, I would probably wrap that part of the fork leg in a clear bra or wrap then slap on a carbon fiber fork leg sleeve/cover on both sides.
Around the right leg, we have a relatively huge emission stickers which practically damages the great looks of the motorcycle but thanks to the cool and great nature of the black forks, which are 43mm, the damaged look is kind of masked off.

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When I was with LeoVince USA/Arrow Exhaust we heard ALL kinds of horror stories about the difficulties registering various bikes due to draconian CA emissions regulations. CARB (specifically CVC §27156) rules have been an ENORMOUS burden on exhaust-related business as well as a thorn in rider's sides. California alone is ~20% of total moto registrations in the US and, after the law went into effect, company-wide sales dropped substantially. Then, when big players like V&H, Cycle Gear, Yamaha, 'Zilla, Piaggio, Yoshi and Akra were slapped with fines as much as $500k-$1.9M, the industry knee-jerked and nearly refused to do ANY business in California.

There were stories of sticker swaps, bribes, and odometer tampering in order to register OOS bikes. Those that got caught were slapped with $1,000 fines, a ridiculous amount for the violation.
 
Wow, not doubting you anymore. Bizarre!

CG bring ups an interesting proposition tho: So long as it had out of state plates, would you be willing to take a chance and reg it out of state?
 
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