Missing hood and stripped interior

[Diezel]

i need to read this thread for the no interior...

i think i posted the same question (interior wise) years back and there was no VC for it...still...i always get asked about when i get pulled over...

You can call it "profiling" or whatever you want.

But you know as damn well as I do. The only idiots on this planet willing to rip out 65 pounds of honda interior in a daily driver... Are Street Racers.

 

[GhostRider]

I disagree that we need more laws to outlaw specific things. Cell phone and texting laws are a good example. Where's the law to ban people that read, eat, put on make up, shave, etc? :|

off topic, but.... since specifically "texting" is illegal now....
... is reading a book illegal now too??
... how about a "Kindle E-Book"?
... or a laptop on the steering wheel?

that is the problem with "making specific laws".

I think there should have been only a more strict enforcement of the prefectly fine "distracted driving" law. No need to enummerate every single distraction possible in its own law.


.... back on topic...

as much as i love to work on my cars.... driving w/o a hood should be considered dangerous and covered by the "save operation" VC quoted above.

and yes, even running the risk that Motorcycles should have a chain guard which is a good idea regardless! (my dirt one does!)

 

[JPM]

Yes, I saw my post #12, and my point still stands.

What makes driving without a hood unsafe?

In addition, find me the section that states you're required to have a good on your vehicle.

Ahh, where do I start?

Let’s start with crash safety. Cars are designed for collision safety, hoods, fenders, windshields, roof, bumpers, and fame all work together and affect the rigidity and stiffness of a vehicle involved in a crash. No hood now removes that from the equation. I'm sure we have all seen many of those crash testing videos that different agencies do to rate cars in a crash. Ever see them crash one with the hood missing? I haven't.

Second it’s to protect the driver and others from fluids and debris. Brake lines, transmission lines, power steering lines, and coolant lines break and most cars leak oil (If you don't believe that just look at stop lights/signs and dips in the road and you will see all the oils dropped from vehicles). The hoods contain the liquids so they don't spray onto the windshield thus obscuring the drivers view as they are going down the road. Ever seen a car on the side of the road blowing steam and fluid dumping all over the ground after overheating or blowing a line? Open the hood and I bet you will see a lot of fluid on the hood. Anyone ever had coolant or oil splashed on their windshield? When you hit those wipers to try and clear it what happens next, does it clear it up?
Anyone ever had a fan belt break? And pulley bearing go bad? A water pump bearing go bad, freeze, and the whole pulley and fan comes flying off? I have seen it and it has happened to me. Ever take a look at the nice dent on the hood that flying pulley and fan leaves? Imagine the dent it will leave if it hits someone else on the road, especially and motorcycle rider.

Again, the hood contains all the fluids and moving parts to protect the driver of that car, and the drivers of all the other cars on the road.

As for the section, it's posted back in post #21

 

[SuperMike]

JPM, would you assuredly cite the first time you saw it, or would you give a warning and then cite if you saw it again? Would you write it as correctable? Just curious...

 

[JPM]

JPM, would you assuredly cite the first time you saw it, or would you give a warning and then cite if you saw it again? Would you write it as correctable? Just curious...

I hope this answers your question, in almost 14 years I only recall writing two.

 

[SuperMike]

I hope this answers your question, in almost 14 years I only recall writing two.

Well, that's not really enough information to answer my question outright, but I think I can safely presume that you've seen more than two hoodless vehicles while on duty over those 14 years. Thanks.

 

[Mike T]

You can call it "profiling" or whatever you want.

But you know as damn well as I do. The only idiots on this planet willing to rip out 65 pounds of honda interior in a daily driver... Are Street Racers.

but but..it saves weight which means i use less gas...which means im saving gas which means saving the planet....!

and also i dont want to drive people too

as for the hood thing...this is my opinion on it....: i'd keep it on since it'll keep crap from getting into your engine bay and into your intake...if you have ITBs, i think you'll want to cover it...stuff flying in there goes directly into your engine and boom...your car will have damage up the ass

+ think about the aerodynamics...!

 

[deathbug74]

I would see it as a safety issue in case of an accident.

If you hit a pedestrian (or byciclist, or.... Motorcyclist), and they crack their scull open on your engine block while their fingers get shredded by your fan...
... i can see some interesting lawsuits happening.

doesn't fly for a vw bug

I would be more worried about people reaching in an messing with stuff while the car was parked, than if the LEOs were going to give me a ticket for it.

I remember the folks with Baja Beetles complaining about wankers changing their sparkplug wires around on the distributer and things of that nature, back in the day.

which is why quick pins are nice..pull it off, throw it in the backseat, then throw it back on while it's parked

 

[masameet]

I seem to recall we had a similar discussion as to why the letters "D.O.T." have to be on certain vehicle parts.

Didn't we agree that the U.S. government has imposed uniform standards on the 50 states regarding motor vehicles, including motorcycles?

Anyway check out this nifty government website -- very informative. In fact here's the cut-and-paste regarding hoods and hood attachments (there's one or two also regarding vehicle interiors):

Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 49, Volume 6]
[Revised as of October 1, 2007]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 49CFR571.113]

[Page 379]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

OF TRANSPORTATION

PART 571_FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart B_Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards

Sec. 571.113 Standard No. 113; Hood latch system.

S1. Purpose and scope. This standard establishes the requirement for
providing a hood latch system or hood latch systems.
S2. Application. This standard applies to passenger cars,
multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses.
S3. Definitions. Hood means any exterior movable body panel forward
of the windshield that is used to cover an engine, luggage, storage, or
battery compartment.
S4. Requirements.
S4.1 Each hood must be provided with a hood latch system.
S4.2 A front opening hood which, in any open position, partially or
completely obstructs a driver's forward view through the windshield must
be provided with a second latch position on the hood latch system or
with a second hood latch system.

Why California's legislature did not and has not created a separate vehicle code for missing hoods is up to conjecture. Perhaps it has to do with the notion that a missing hood is like a cop in da 'hood -- unusual and not seen often enough -- and thus not warranting special attention. No doubt the CVC section that JPM has consistently pointed out in separate threads is the catch-all for such motor vehicle aberrations. But then again I'm not a cop, never wanted to be a cop, and I don't care either about idiots who are willing to drive without hoods on their vehicles.

 

[Razel]

I seem to recall we had a similar discussion as to why the letters "D.O.T." have to be on certain vehicle parts.

Didn't we agree that the U.S. government has imposed uniform standards on the 50 states regarding motor vehicles, including motorcycles?

Anyway check out this nifty government website -- very informative. In fact here's the cut-and-paste regarding hoods and hood attachments (there's one or two also regarding vehicle interiors):

Ok, what is quoted is just for hood latch(es). Nothing requiring a hood, just that if you have one, there has to be latches to secure it.

Back to it's illegal only because it's deemed unsafe...

 

[masameet]

I'm sure somebody will find the law that a hood is a required motorized vehicle component (for four-wheeled vehicles). The fact that the U.S. government listed what is necessary to keep the hood in place certainly makes the case that a hood is an essential part.

Heck, even funny cars have hoods and latching systems.

That's the thing about our vehicle codes and laws. Most of us figure that much common sense and thinking were used to create them, not to mention vehicle accidents and fatalities being the catalysts that caused them. It's just finding that info online, all that history behind our laws, is a challenge. I posted a query to some government outfit that answers federally focused laws. I imagine it'll take some time before I get an answer, if I get an answer at all.

 

[Diezel]

Again the technicality is in how your right the ticket.

IF the hood is removed, and there is no "emissions components label" in the engine bay. Technically that is a modification of the smog equipment. IF it is a pollution controlled vehicle.

 

[Nessal]

Legal to drive without a hood?

Is there a cvc that states that you must have a hood on the car to be driven? If so what kind of ticket would it be?

 

[Cygnus]

http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129783

 

[weasel]

They have Cali plates

 

[Nessal]

The reason I ask is because I have a older aircooled VW and I feel that when the summer comes around, it might be better for the engine if I run without the hood.

 

[rt rider]

Is your motor stock? If so, than if all of your engine tin and seals are in place you should not have a problem over heating.

Another option is to leave the deck lid on and space out the bottom. I have seen people use tennis balls and they also make adapters that bolt to the rear apron.

I would leave the deck lid on. It makes it harder to steal stuff and you don't have to worry about rain or stuff getting sucked into the fan.

 

[Noid]

The VW was designed with overheating in mind. Hitler had his engineers design a car that was not prone to over heat. And yes Hitler is the reason for the VW bug.

 

[Diezel]

Is your motor stock? If so, than if all of your engine tin and seals are in place you should not have a problem over heating.

Another option is to leave the deck lid on and space out the bottom. I have seen people use tennis balls and they also make adapters that bolt to the rear apron.

I would leave the deck lid on. It makes it harder to steal stuff and you don't have to worry about rain or stuff getting sucked into the fan.

Deck Lid Stand Off's FTMFW!!!

http://chircoestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3401


Noid is correct. Provided your GEN light doesn't come on (or even if it does) and your fan belt is still there and the air turbine is forcing air through the shrouds..... You'll be fine.

 

[Rel]

According to the vehicle code guru's.....

A hood is not required.

24002 VC does not apply.

Thanksbye.