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MotoGP Off-Season Thread

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tonedeaf said:
I wonder how Checa would do on a factory GP ride.
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1999-2005
----------------------------------------- wins pod pole F-lap pts place
1999 500 cc Yamaha YZR500 Yamaha---YMR 0 1 0 0 125 7th –
2000 500 cc Yamaha YZR500 Yamaha---YMR 0 4 0 0 155 6th –
2001 500 cc Yamaha YZR500 Yamaha---YMR 0 3 0 0 137 6th –
2002 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 Yamaha-YMR 0 4 1 1 141 5th –
2003 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 Yamaha-YMR 0 0 0 0 123 7th –
2004 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 Yamaha-YMR 0 1 1 0 117 7th –
2005 MotoGP Ducati GP5 Ducati Corse 0 2 0 0 138 9th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Checa
 
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Clem Kevin said:
1999-2005
----------------------------------------- wins pod pole F-lap pts place
1999 500 cc Yamaha YZR500 Yamaha---YMR 0 1 0 0 125 7th –
2000 500 cc Yamaha YZR500 Yamaha---YMR 0 4 0 0 155 6th –
2001 500 cc Yamaha YZR500 Yamaha---YMR 0 3 0 0 137 6th –
2002 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 Yamaha-YMR 0 4 1 1 141 5th –
2003 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 Yamaha-YMR 0 0 0 0 123 7th –
2004 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 Yamaha-YMR 0 1 1 0 117 7th –
2005 MotoGP Ducati GP5 Ducati Corse 0 2 0 0 138 9th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Checa
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oh :selfpalm
 
stangmx13 said:
i blame Houseworth for a lot of Spies' troubles in GP and most of his success in SBK. unfounded opinion, but i said it.
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This is the only conclusion I've been able to reach. Maybe just in over his head.
 
mjrydsfast said:
Distance from the fastest bike at the test to the first CRT machine (Randy De Puniet) is still nearly 2.5 seconds.

The madness continues... :rolleyes

Make it stop! Randy De Puniet: "Please SBJ, let me get that Suzuki gig." (need a "praying" smiley)
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The Suzuki will be MORE than 2.5 off the pace. Everyone seems to forget that Suzuki was embarrassingly uncompetitive. You guys are like goldfish.


clutchslip said:
I guess that I thought Suzuki still wasn't doing MSMA rules because of all the Aspar talk. I see that they, indeed, are testing with smaller tanks, etc.. I don't know about all this, really. I still would rather see Aprilia with a factory team, at this point.
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My opinion is that the fuel and engine limits should be voluntary. Since the factories wanted them, they should have to live with them. The factories that have no interest in them shouldn't be forced to work within arbitrary and costly rules.
 
JO EBRMC said:
. You guys are like goldfish.
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That reminds me. Stoner's new lid. Fish Scale.

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stangmx13 said:
i blame Houseworth for a lot of Spies' troubles in GP and most of his success in SBK. unfounded opinion, but i said it.
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I said this in a thread a few months back...
Dude might get the workings of a street based bike and know what to do, but the prototypes might be over his head...
I mean think about it, he went from AMA to WSBK to MotoGP in a 3 year span...
 
kelsodeez said:
..... and casey, DNF in his first V8 race. hit the wall on lap 12 of 20. we'll see how he does in tomorrow's second race. should have stuck to 2 wheels m8.
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His tire exploded, not his fault.

In an unrelated story, CRT's are embarrassingly slow. :laughing
 
JO EBRMC said:
You guys are like goldfish.
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:rofl

My opinion is that the fuel and engine limits should be voluntary. Since the factories wanted them, they should have to live with them. The factories that have no interest in them shouldn't be forced to work within arbitrary and costly rules.
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thats an interesting thought. those rules are practically self-imposed. making them voluntary would just be Carmelo making the factories his bitch, saying "we dont appreciate your shit anymore".

i kind of agree w/ the fuel limit. its bullshit and needs to go away. rly, none of the factory teams are running out of fuel anymore and starting with less means the bike is lighter the entire race. in F1, theres a significant advantage to be gained w/ better fuel mileage because of the weight, though our races arent that long. GP would be no worse off if HRC and Yamaha ran 24L instead of 20L.

however, theres no way i think the engine rule should be voluntary. without it, we wouldnt have the up coming development freeze, which i cant find any fault in. also, satellite teams would either have to spend more or be left further behind as the factory teams went through engine after engine. theres no way Bradl and Bautista would be on factory engines without the engine rule.

rly, the GP paddock is 3 for 4 for successfully producing engines that last the distance, and all the successful ones are diff designs, so it cant be THAT hard. rumor was that Suzuki only failed because they were unable to perform some standard maintenance because of where they placed the seals. i doubt thats the whole story. but Dorna should have just allowed them to fix that, making sure they didnt improve anything else, and not given them 9 engines.
 
Fuel restrictions are as much about power as they are fuel mileage, by reducing fuel the top teams lose a bit of their power edge. Going down to 20l may be what will help the CRT's edge a little closer.
 
JO EBRMC said:
The Suzuki will be MORE than 2.5 off the pace. Everyone seems to forget that Suzuki was embarrassingly uncompetitive. You guys are like goldfish.
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Maybe Suzuki secretly hired BLS as a consultant on how to build them the perfect V4 motogp bike...
 
Clem Kevin said:
Fuel restrictions are as much about power as they are fuel mileage, by reducing fuel the top teams lose a bit of their power edge. Going down to 20l may be what will help the CRT's edge a little closer.
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Well, no kidding. I don't know where this MSMA choice is coming from exactly. My understanding was when Dorna and MSMA hacked the rules, and went back to liter bikes, that there was still concern about too much power and SPEED.

The original intent for the 800s was to slow the bikes because they were getting too fast to be safe on the existing tracks. The fuel limit wasn't about hurting other manufacturers, but safety. Fuel limits are common in motorsports for safety reasons. Dorna allowed the CRTs to have extra fuel as an incentive to get people like Aprilia and BMW to supply engines and get into the game. Apparently it worked. Too bad the bikes are still too slow. Right, Mr. Z? :laughing
 
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the factories r so good at fuel management now that the current fuel limit comes into play in very few instances at very few tracks. theyve explicitly said, esp Yamaha, that theyve made big strides in fuel economy each year. anytime someone runs out of fuel or is down on power, its due to a rider or team error. did Cal go faster when battling w/ Bautista because he was using more fuel per lap... maybe. was it more than a few tenths per lap... doubtful.

we all know that on your commute to work, u can increase your mpg by not being a jackass with the right pedal. same speed, diff fuel requirement. same goes racing. the factories are just finding ways to optimize that savings and keep the rider from wasting fuel w/ their right hand. rly, the speed at which these bikes can accelerate is limited by the tires (and chassis), not their fuel limit.

of course, all that takes sophisticated electronic controls... and thats where the issue lies. if everyone ran the same software, they could all easily run the same amount of fuel. IIRC, Randy ran out of fuel last year. for that i blame the fact that Aprilia's electronics have never had to deal w/ longer racers on less fuel, so they arent great at fuel management. Suzuki may or may not have the same issue entering back into GP.

thankfully, unlike prev years, Suzuki can be confidence of certain rules for 2014. 5 engines and 20L is almost set in stone.... unless Honda bails on their proddy racer and Yamaha doesnt lease engines. but given the amount of effort everyone has already put it, that mostly seems certain.
 
JO EBRMC said:
This is the only conclusion I've been able to reach. Maybe just in over his head.
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Raider said:
I said this in a thread a few months back...
Dude might get the workings of a street based bike and know what to do, but the prototypes might be over his head...
I mean think about it, he went from AMA to WSBK to MotoGP in a 3 year span...
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Whoah, I just read about this. That's insane, to go from AMA to the prototypes so soon? What are a crew chief's main responsibilities? And would they be very different in prototypes?

I wonder if the main differences are in the high-level electronics, or just the entire approach to dialing in a prototype chassis compared to modifying a bought one.
 
I didn't know that was his AMA Chief either. I think I would have wanted someone that has been in GP longer and understand the tires and bike a little better. He did better on a the Suzuki in 2008 for the three races he was in than last year.
 
Zerox said:
His tire exploded, not his fault.
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Maybe, maybe not. Who knows how much abuse he gave his tires in the race......... :wow

How many of the other (more experienced) drivers tires exploded ? Just bad luck ?
 
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