Ninja H2?

[TrackCage]

the theory here is that if one buys a $40K motorcycle, they are at the point with their skills that this would not happen, it shouldn't take that much skill anyway with that much power to pull away enough on the straights to keep a 650 away from you...otherwise one really shouldnt be buying that motorcycle

I know one guy with a superleggera who's fast as sh!t on the track. The other superleggera owners I could probably pass on my R6.

Money =/= rider skill

 

[jdan007]

In theory.


Tho I'm sure this has happened a million times, I very clearly remember something that made much chuckle a few years back...

Three 40-something buttplugs dressed in their $500 boots, $1k jackets, $300 gloves, $800 helmets, and $200 JEANS hopped on their matching $20k+ Ducati superbikes and herked, jerked and wobbled out of a *$x parking lot as I watched, mouth agape. Obviously total noobz on very fast, quite expensive motorbikes. Money and horsepower is no obstacle for those hell bent on posing. Some no-skill squid WILL buy and WILL crash one of these things.

yeah like the dickheads that ride up to alices and sit there all fucking day with their toys sitting in the parking lot and then when they do go ride get all panicky if you make a pass because youre interested in at least taking corners AT THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. /rage

 

[aminalmutha]

Didn't some ass drop his brand new Desmosedici at Alice's shortly after said bike was released?

 

[Joshman]

the theory here is that if one buys a $40K motorcycle, they are at the point with their skills that this would not happen, it shouldn't take that much skill anyway with that much power to pull away enough on the straights to keep a 650 away from you...otherwise one really shouldnt be buying that motorcycle

I was somewhat joking but I can't tell you how many people on Pengales, RSV4's and S1000R's etc... I overtake coming into a turn. Very few people can ride those things to their potential. The H2 will be similar in that it will scare the piss out of most people as they enter the turns causing them to over brake and not carry corner speed.

With that said, it would be pretty cool seeing one the the FP racers take it out

 

[b534202]

200ps on the street version isn't all that impressive. Wish they would have found a way to split the difference and do 250.

Yeah, why is it so low? Are they going to take out the supercharger for the regular H2?

 

[Lunch Box]

Yeah, why is it so low? Are they going to take out the supercharger for the regular H2?

Emissions requirements. It will be easy to "uncork" it, I'm sure.

 

[aminalmutha]

I was somewhat joking but I can't tell you how many people on Pengales, RSV4's and S1000R's etc... I overtake coming into a turn. Very few people can ride those things to their potential. The H2 will be similar in that it will scare the piss out of most people as they enter the turns causing them to over brake and not carry corner speed.

With that said, it would be pretty cool seeing one the the FP racers take it out

Few people can ride a modern, properly set-up 600 to its limit, let alone anything with more grunt.

 

[firstbuell]

quoting FP combatant Jeremy Toye, post-test ride,

".....I took this little scooter up to 210mph today.
So smooth I could of sipped a cappuccino.
The wings really work....."

 

[EastBayDave]

Few people can ride a modern, properly set-up 600 to its limit, let alone anything with more grunt.

Sometimes truth hurts. Most riders are no Marc Marquez or Kenny Roberts. Many will buy the bike just to show off how cool they are. I don't mind so much; more power too them. The more of these bikes sold will = better tech ="trickle-down" to lower end machines...no?

There was a time when I could ride the zx12r to it's limit & beyond; but that was long ago when I was sharp & healthy. Couldn't do it today....(sigh)...

However I still like the H2(r) just for what it is; awesome!

 

[ilikefood]

Christ, we know that. The last 2-3 pages have been about it.

Just saying when your N/A liter bike makes close to 200 and your flagship SC bike also makes 200, it's not a good look from a marketing standpoint.

So you want MORE marketing bullshit?

If Kawasaki boosts the bottom end on the road version and leaves peak power at 200, that would be a refreshing departure from marketing bullshit.

 

[ilikefood]

your such a hater

so i guess you think the motogp guys who are running with 240-260hp dont need the electronics to help them go faster

accept the technology.....reduce the power whatever you want to call it

its only improving......

go ride one for yourself and the results will speak for itself, kawi's t/c that came out in 2011 is still remarkably less intrusive then the bmw and yamaha, somewhat comparable to aprilia systems.... interesting huh, given that they have 4 more years of r&d to rework their system to handle the additional horsepower

until then you really cant speak upon it because you have no real life experience

and seriously reducing just the power is just a part of the complete t/c system however it is a main role in the different power mode map selections - which you maybe thinking of

I think we might have a misunderstanding about how traction control works.

Power modes do decrease peak power, but that's completely separate from my point about how electronic traction control reduces power. Traction control monitors things like wheel spin and chassis pitch. When it detects too much wheel spin or the beginnings of a wheelie, TC cuts the power to a level where those things don't happen anymore.

So you might be at WOT at 11,000 RPM (or whatever), which should theoretically (based on a dyno power graph) deliver that 300 hp. But TC will cut the actual thrust (and therefore the power) delivered to the rear wheel to a level that's low enough so the tire won't spin and the bike won't wheelie. So instead of putting down 300 hp, TC might let the engine deliver only 150 hp. And then what's the point of having a 300 hp bike?

 

[Kurosaki]

So you want MORE marketing bullshit?

If Kawasaki boosts the bottom end on the road version and leaves peak power at 200, that would be a refreshing departure from marketing bullshit.

I don't care. The bike is not for me.

Kawasaki (and all other manufacturers) should do what it has to so they can move bikes. The vast majority of people are not going to delve into the details to find dyno maps and power curves.

Marketing "bullshit" sells bikes. They can "bullshit" to their hearts content if it sells more bikes. Currently all we know about the street bike is it's rated at 200ps, which is not much different from the current ZX-10, which is not really all that good of a look. Sure, it most likely will not be difficult to raise that number significantly via aftermarket but Kawasaki can't sell that. If they could get stock power closer to the race bike at 300, it would be better. 100hp between the two bikes is huge.

 

[Sharky]

I think we might have a misunderstanding about how traction control works.

Power modes do decrease peak power, but that's completely separate from my point about how electronic traction control reduces power. Traction control monitors things like wheel spin and chassis pitch. When it detects too much wheel spin or the beginnings of a wheelie, TC cuts the power to a level where those things don't happen anymore.

So you might be at WOT at 11,000 RPM (or whatever), which should theoretically (based on a dyno power graph) deliver that 300 hp. But TC will cut the actual thrust (and therefore the power) delivered to the rear wheel to a level that's low enough so the tire won't spin and the bike won't wheelie. So instead of putting down 300 hp, TC might let the engine deliver only 150 hp. And then what's the point of having a 300 hp bike?

Dude,

You crack me up. You talk down to these guys like you know something, but betray this just by opening your mouth.

 

[louemc]

Dude,

You crack me up. You talk down to these guys like you know something, but betray this just by opening your mouth.

:thumb up Someone had to say it...I thought it would be me...So thanks for taking that load off of my shoulders...:thumb up

 

[sfo423]

Damn, at least these guys had boots. The crew I usually see prefer ankle socks and sneakers (but do also have the previously mentioned jacket, jeans, rep helmet & glove getup).

In theory.


Tho I'm sure this has happened a million times, I very clearly remember something that made much chuckle a few years back...

Three 40-something buttplugs dressed in their $500 boots, $1k jackets, $300 gloves, $800 helmets, and $200 JEANS hopped on their matching $20k+ Ducati superbikes and herked, jerked and wobbled out of a *$x parking lot as I watched, mouth agape. Obviously total noobz on very fast, quite expensive motorbikes. Money and horsepower is no obstacle for those hell bent on posing. Some no-skill squid WILL buy and WILL crash one of these things.

 

[Smash Allen]

I don't claim to know anything, but doesn't TC work by comparing wheel spin front / rear and if needed it will shut off the spark plugs for a few engine rotations until they match up again?

Edit: Explain Like I Am 5 please...

 

[ilikefood]

Dude,

You crack me up. You talk down to these guys like you know something, but betray this just by opening your mouth.

Ha ha oh really? Please explain how you think TC works then. You think TC will allow the bike to deliver its full power regardless of traction of wheelie limitations? I'd like to see how you think that works.

 

[aminalmutha]

I don't claim to know anything, but doesn't TC work by comparing wheel spin front / rear and if needed it will shut off the spark plugs for a few engine rotations until they match up again?

Edit: Explain Like I Am 5 please...

Well, with modern drive-by-wire (and associated sensors, ECU power, programming, etc), the engine doesn't even need to do that. It takes the data telling it that the wheel is spinning/front end lifting at a rate that could lead to shutting the throttle down in normal circumstances, and simply opens the throttle/injects fuel/sparks the sparky bolts at a rate slower than it is being told by the throttle position input given by the rider.

In short, it tells the engine to increase power at the ideal rate for given conditions and input [hell, it can be programmed such that it decreases engine braking, ie, does not completely shut off the throttle, to the point that you can make it behave more like a two stroke off throttle, if you wanted... and some GP riders do prefer that].

Oh yeah, drive-by-wire means the throttle is open and closed by a servo rather than a cable connected directly to the throttle.



But yes, TC can simply cut spark/fuel to reduce wheelspin, which is generally what one would do if one did not have drive-by-wire.

 

[FXCLM5]

Ha ha oh really? Please explain how you think TC works then. You think TC will allow the bike to deliver its full power regardless of traction of wheelie limitations? I'd like to see how you think that works.

T/C works, and nobody is here arguing you that it doesnt,

what I want you to realize the T/C systems are well developed enough it makes it easy to harness 150+ bhp (4-5 years ago)

all you keep saying is bikes DONT NEED MORE HP because the rider uses T/C to reduce that ADDITIONAL POWER when needed

and all im saying is T/C systems are continuously improving, and you still dont have a baseline understanding of how its actually working in the real world on a real litrebike.

so who cares if that 300hp bike is detuned to 50hp if you go WOT mid apex at max lean angles, what i want you to understand was 3x years ago their data supported to bring peak hp down to 50 under those conditions.

Hopefully with 4 more years of R&D combined with a new stronger crazier supercharged motor characteristics maybe they have the formula for raising peak hp to 60hp instead of 50 from those exact same conditions

But somehow your on the boat saying omfg too much HP is too ridiculous

Not even understanding the total package

 

[Sharky]

Ha ha oh really? Please explain how you think TC works then. You think TC will allow the bike to deliver its full power regardless of traction of wheelie limitations? I'd like to see how you think that works.

Explain how dudes have been riding much more powerful bikes, sans traction control, FOR YEARS...without spinning out of control.

Explain how you "know" it's impossible to put in excess of 150hp to the ground without looping a bike in anything less that 6th gear...

Explain how, despite your vast knowledge and experience how I can ride my 150+hp bike, sans any type of electronic limiters, WOT in 1st gear without looping it...nevermind the other gears.

The fact that power is occasionally reduced to suit situations wherein traction may not support the addition of power, does not mean at all, that there are not situations where that power CAN be used and be used effectively.

The nature of your argument is completely one dimensional and shows that you have no practical experience riding high horsepower bikes.

I know, I know, your dad was an engineer and surely those dudes at Kawasaki don't have any idea what they are doing.

I got it now, carry on.