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Ninja H2?

rosemont83 said:
Talked to my dealer today.. sounds like you might not be happy..
They're all saying its going to be close to $40K. Not sure how positive they are but $20-30K is still possible
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$20k would be cool :teeth

I am still waiting to see if its an all out crazy hyper bike 1000cc-1400cc with forced induction putting out some crazy hp numbers or turbo a 600cc.

The best part would be the tuning. Forced induction vehicles are a breeze to extract hp out of.
 
Seven11 said:
$20k would be cool :teeth

I am still waiting to see if its an all out crazy hyper bike 1000cc-1400cc with forced induction putting out some crazy hp numbers or turbo a 600cc.

The best part would be the tuning. Forced induction vehicles are a breeze to extract hp out of.
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if its going to be some 14r destroyer, then it will need to be in the 1 liter range. it is my belief that it will be something that is faster than the current 14r, or else, why make such a bike(since you already have the zx-10r). lower displacement would need a lot of boost to make big power numbers. bigger boost numbers than are safe for pump gas and the bike WILL need to run on pump gas.
 
Seven11 said:
$20k would be cool :teeth

I am still waiting to see if its an all out crazy hyper bike 1000cc-1400cc with forced induction putting out some crazy hp numbers or turbo a 600cc.

The best part would be the tuning. Forced induction vehicles are a breeze to extract hp out of.
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It's definitely going to be an all out crazy hyper bike..
No turbo though it IS supercharged and 750cc at least but most likely 1000cc supercharged to not cut into the sales of the other bikes. Like blow everything else out of the water..
13 days and we know for sure!
 
Hope it's a 60 horsepower supercharged 250 ninja, we have enough 175 mph motorcycles available.
 
GAJ said:
:laughing

You must be joking.

If true one has to wonder what big green is thinking.
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There's a bunch of rumors..
Some were saying it will be a limited production run, hence the hefty price tag..
Some were saying there will be 2 versions like the S1000RR and the HP4..
I dunno :x
 
Cereal KLR said:
Hope it's a 60 horsepower supercharged 250 ninja, we have enough 175 mph motorcycles available.
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That would be awesome. Light engine, light supercharger... and stick it into a supermoto or a track bike for sub-300lbs and 60+ HP :ride
 
ilikefood said:
Hopefully a lower-RPM supercharger, not a turbo. Making motorcycle engines even more peaky is the last thing we need.
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Turbo lag /= peaky. Turbo = peaky is a total misnomer, especially in the last decade or so. A properly sized turbo(s) will not have much lag.

Besides, turbos (and supercharges) add power by increasing torque at given rpm range. If anything, a 600 with a properly-sized turbo will feel more like a 1000cc bike.



But... putting a turbo on a 600 is kinda stupid. Add more cubes and you get the same result with less trouble since a 600 has just as many parts as a bigger engine and isn't all that much smaller or lighter. If you're going to add weight and complexity to get power, go big or go home... blow the 1000, not the 600, and get real gains.
 
300hp with Kawasaki's electrics helping to put all that power to the ground... what's moto gp's take on forced induction?
 
Early rumors were that they were using a derivitive of the 1400cc supercharged motor from their watercraft line. Appx 300hp. Me wants.....
 
aminalmutha said:
Turbo lag /= peaky. Turbo = peaky is a total misnomer, especially in the last decade or so. A properly sized turbo(s) will not have much lag.

Besides, turbos (and supercharges) add power by increasing torque at given rpm range. If anything, a 600 with a properly-sized turbo will feel more like a 1000cc bike.
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I'm not saying that a turbo engine would be peaky because of turbo lag. Turbos are driven by exhaust gases, and there are more of them at higher RPMs, so a turbo will boost power by a larger amount at higher RPMs than at lower RPMs. So a turbo 600 might feel like a 600 at low RPMs, and like a 1000 at high RPMs, thus making the engine feel even more "peaky" (all the power up top) than it would without a turbo.

A supercharger, depending on how it's driven and how it's geared, could be set up so it boosts low-end power, where most bikes need it. That would make the engine less peaky.
 
ilikefood said:
I'm not saying that a turbo engine would be peaky because of turbo lag. Turbos are driven by exhaust gases, and there are more of them at higher RPMs, so a turbo will boost power by a larger amount at higher RPMs than at lower RPMs. So a turbo 600 might feel like a 600 at low RPMs, and like a 1000 at high RPMs, thus making the engine feel even more "peaky" (all the power up top) than it would without a turbo.

A supercharger, depending on how it's driven and how it's geared, could be set up so it boosts low-end power, where most bikes need it. That would make the engine less peaky.
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:wtf

Um. No. Well, it depends, rather. On everything. But a turbocharged engine isn't going to necessarily be more peaky than a supercharged engine.

Yes, turbos are exhaust driven. Thank you for that tidbit of info. Superchargers are mechanically driven, and generally push more air the faster the engine turns. Since well, an engine is going to pump more air in a given amount of time the faster it turns. So, your argument is the same for turbos as it is for superchargers. :laughing
 
aminalmutha said:
:wtf

Um. No. Well, it depends, rather. On everything. But a turbocharged engine isn't going to necessarily be more peaky than a supercharged engine.

Yes, turbos are exhaust driven. Thank you for that tidbit of info. Superchargers are mechanically driven, and generally push more air the faster the engine turns. Since well, an engine is going to pump more air in a given amount of time the faster it turns. So, your argument is the same for turbos as it is for superchargers. :laughing
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Depends on how the supercharger is geared. You could gear it so it spins pretty fast already at low RPMs. Or I suppose you could even drive it electrically and have complete control over how it works. You can't do that with a turbo.
 
Hey, it's a moot point. Unless this is a 2-stroke, then it isn't an H2. :x
 
ilikefood said:
Depends on how the supercharger is geared. You could gear it so it spins pretty fast already at low RPMs. Or I suppose you could even drive it electrically and have complete control over how it works. You can't do that with a turbo.
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Unless you disengage the supercharger at high RPM, the RPM will gain linearly with engine RPM, and depending on the efficiency and type of supercharger, the amount of air moved by the blower will increase accordingly, up to a point (where the engine can't inhale more air). Go review your fluid mechanics book.

An electric supercharger could have good control, but requires a lot of electrical power, ie, big motor(s), cables, etc. More electronically sophisticated.

However, you absolutely CAN control how much boost an engine gets from turbochargers. In fact, you probably have more control with turbos than anything else.
 
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