Obesity, A Solution Seams Obvious

[stangmx13]

i dont think that ending corn subsidies would do anything to curb American obesity. people will still eat, no matter the price, and they'll still be fat. really, most of the ones that are already obese are lost and we (the government prob) just need to make sure that they dont produce fat kids... and no i dont mean birthing fat kids, i mean allowing their kids to become fat through bad unhealthy habits. unfortunately, forcing what we think is good parenting on anyone is near impossible.

IMO, itll take a huge social change to prevent obesity in the next generation. and i have no idea how to bring about that social change.

side note... why the hell is tobacco on that chart?!?! also, lowering tobacco subsidies sure didnt stop anyone from smoking.

 

[F4iChic]

* for those w/out knee problems, or have a disability of course..

Is smoking a disability

 

[F4iChic]

Better question......What's your body fat percentage?

I weigh 125lbs or thereabouts, 5' 5" tall and I bet my body fat percentage is around 20%

All on me mid-section

And for the *most* part all I eat is salad for lunch, every day (brought from home - I can't afford the cafe here every day at $10 for a salad) and lean meat and vegetables for dinner

Getting fatter and fatter by the day

Oh, I just remembered, most of my calories come from alcohol arty

 

[CHUM]

Is smoking a disability

no :|

but i had that problem too...for 25 years

its not been a problem for some time now (yay)







* and good lord was that a HARD habit to break...jeebus.

 

[sicks]

maybe....maybe not.

I think many people are in denial, or simply do not know what 'healthy' actually is.

How many here in the sink can actually *run 1 mile w/out stopping? If you can't, you may not be in as good as shape as you believe

But the correlation is not direct: Normal to Overweight to Obese doesn't mean that "Healthy" is directly linked to "Normal" when those three items are based on a BMI assessment.

If you're saying that people (in general) may not know what "Healthy" is - I may agree. But I also say that using BMI as the primary driver for a Health Assessment doesn't help the ignorance.

As an FYI - I have no issue running one mile without stopping, at all.

 

[*VillageIdiot*]

How many here in the sink can actually *run 1 mile w/out stopping? If you can't, you may not be in as good as shape as you believe

.

I can still run 2 miles in 1436 (on a good day) mostly a 15ish though, and 5 in under 45 (good day) mostly 48-50 ish', any longer than that I'm just shuffling truth be told. I am a little out of shape to be honest. I've lost some max weight on my bench I'm struggling to not kip at about 14 pull ups, can still do 80ish pushups, 80 ish situps. But my lifting has really seen some decreases with my age.

I do in fact smoke though, which I need to knock off. But I eat whatever I want, I just manage my portions by my PT Cycle, light cycle light eating etc.

I'd be willing to APFT most anytime for vetting if needed Chum.

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

I don't eat the HFcorn products if I can avoid it (definitely no Snickers et al!) and don't eat the burgers...those "cheap"burgers, who knows of what plastics their meat and the buns especially are made out of.

 

[CHUM]

But the correlation is not direct: Normal to Overweight to Obese doesn't mean that "Healthy" is directly linked to "Normal" when those three items are based on a BMI assessment.

If you're saying that people (in general) may not know what "Healthy" is - I may agree. But I also say that using BMI as the primary driver for a Health Assessment doesn't help the ignorance.

As an FYI - I have no issue running one mile without stopping, at all.

Using BMI as a primary driver I agree with you - it should be used as an indicator, along with dietary habits and blood work-ups...

I think those three would give most (if not all) a 'real' glimpse into their overall health.

my .02

 

[Traq]

Height/weight charts are so silly...just looked at a couple and I'm at the top of the 'normal' range for my height. That range covers 34 lbs! I'm pretty sure I'd have to chop off both legs to drop 34 lbs.

 

[Zerox]

I'm 6'0" and 183 lbs - super close to the 'overweight' stat (I'm fairly 'fit'). But I agree with my assessment - I need to lose around 10 lbs to be healthier.


I think many people are in denial, or simply do not know what 'healthy' actually is.

How many here in the sink can actually *run 1 mile w/out stopping? If you can't, you may not be in as good as shape as you believe

5'9, 190 (dammit!). A weight of 175 would be much better. At least 15 lbs of flubber, aw hell more like 25.

Yesterday I ran 1.5 miles in 12:28. Outside in the sun, not on some cheating bastard treadmill. I can ride a bicycle 60 miles easily. BUT I LIKE BEER.

 

[sicks]

Using BMI as a primary driver I agree with you - it should be used as an indicator, along with dietary habits and blood work-ups...

I think those three would give most (if not all) a 'real' glimpse into their overall health.

my .02

You are right - I guess I should have used "Main" instead of "Primary" - I'm not sure what other companies require.. But I thought since my employer is very large and also outsources the requirements to Quest Diagnostics, that the assessments would be similar.

The three factors reviewed by the Clinic were; Blood Pressure, Height, Weight, and Waistline size. That's it - there's no real blood work. While there is a questionnaire, it's fairly generic on the habits. And I would think that the statistics that are used, are a derivative of data compilations like this.

 

[*VillageIdiot*]

5'9, 190 (dammit!). A weight of 175 would be much better. At least 15 lbs of flubber, aw hell more like 25.

Yesterday I ran 1.5 miles in 12:28. Outside in the sun, not on some cheating bastard treadmill. I can ride a bicycle 60 miles easily. BUT I LIKE BEER.

Exactly I'm 5'11" 196 ish with a fluctuation down to 189 ish.

I think running isn't a great example of fitness as it is the mental ability to "gut" through it.

 

[CHUM]

5'9, 190 (dammit!). A weight of 175 would be much better. At least 15 lbs of flubber, aw hell more like 25.

Yesterday I ran 1.5 miles in 12:28. Outside in the sun, not on some cheating bastard treadmill. I can ride a bicycle 60 miles easily. BUT I LIKE BEER.

so do I...

I gotta lose some weight so I quit 'beers' sun - thurs...starting last week...

i am sad

 

[CHUM]

Exactly I'm 5'11" 196 ish with a fluctuation down to 189 ish.

I think running isn't a great example of fitness as it is the mental ability to "gut" through it.

It was an example only...and a decent one

But there are others...many, many others...

 

[Zerox]

I think running isn't a great example of fitness as it is the mental ability to "gut" through it.

"Gutting through it" will get you hurt. A year ago I injured a calf muscle while jogging (following two cute girls and I didn't want to stop from what I thought was only a leg cramp).

The next day the calf was hurting and turned all blackish-blueish. Healed for a month, then started running...and reinjured it.

 

[Asphaultnaut]

Exactly. As long as the government doesn't start expecting me to subsidize the ever-increasing health care costs of fat people it isn't my business.

Oh wait, they do?

I guess it *is* my business after all.

then the solution is NOT to oppress or control, but to eliminate the government subsidy of health care.

 

[jt2]

Yeah, and they subsidize the ever-increasing health care costs of motorcycle riders, and every other risky thing we do.

Do you really want the government to get more involved with dictating what risks we are allowed to take as free citizens? Example: do you really think the war on drugs is working? Do you think prohibition worked? After all, those things are for our own good health.

Think hard before you answer that question.

Oh, believe me, I'm fairly libertarian (with a little "L), and think that in general, government is far too intrusive. I think you ought to be able to do whatever you want... right up to the point where it harms me.

In fact, I'd prefer a scenario where I don't give a shit if someone wants to pork up and get the diabeetus.

And I'd prefer that government not try to force universal healthcare down my throat (and consequently requiring me to help fund it).

But since they do, I do have to care that on our current trajectory in less than two decades, half of adults will be obese because there is a huge direct impact to healthcare cost.

So something does need to be done about the problem. What? Not sure. I don't think banning sweets or such will work, but have you been to Alabama or Georgia lately? Go to a mall there and tell me we as a society don't have a problem.

 

[m_asim]

"Gutting through it" will get you hurt. A year ago I injured a calf muscle while jogging (following two cute girls and I didn't want to stop from what I thought was only a leg cramp).

The next day the calf was hurting and turned all blackish-blueish. Healed for a month, then started running...and reinjured it.

This is why I always follow the cute girls jogging .... in my car.

 

[stangmx13]

5'9, 190 (dammit!). A weight of 175 would be much better. At least 15 lbs of flubber, aw hell more like 25.

Yesterday I ran 1.5 miles in 12:28. Outside in the sun, not on some cheating bastard treadmill. I can ride a bicycle 60 miles easily. BUT I LIKE BEER.

i can prob run a little faster, cycle no farther, and also like beer. but im 5'9" @ 140. am i significantly more healthy than u r... very doubtful. which is why the BMI chart is bullshit.

given how cheap and idiot proof heart-rate monitors are now, why cant we just invent a new test for "health level". for ex, expend 100W for 15min and record your heart rate. id think it would be pretty ez to see whos healthy and whos not.

 

[sicks]

I like beer enough where I could run one mile to get some very quickly.