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Opinions discussion

Depending on the environment, sometimes during a discussion or debate , I'll hesitate to offer an opinion if it goes
counter to the group consensus, so instead, I may present my thought on the topic as just an, idea to ponder,
so that it doesnt come across as a blatant rejection to the others firmly held beliefs .


Some may refer to it as the, 'tip toe' or the 'pussyfoot'......or just being polite, but it seems like it would be a good
method of getting along in our new to come, polisink 2.0

addendum; That is the sober me, in the past, when I was a drinker, I did not possess that sense of decorum .;)
 
N4teTheGreat said:
Taxes appear to be a reality that is not subjective however
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This looks like a good topic to share some facts and opinions on. :laughing
Taxes are based on voluntary compliance. :afm199
You CAN volunteer out of the system, if you are willing to put up the good fight, but most Americans are pretty comfortable just continuing to pay what our masters say that we must. :mad:
And, there are a lot of things that you CAN'T do if you volunteer out of the system, because the entire banking system is in bed with the IRS and the federal reserve. So unless you have CASH to pay for everything (something we ALL had to do 3 generations ago), you can't buy a car or a house or ANYTHING on credit.
Food for thought.
 
Lonster said:
This looks like a good topic to share some facts and opinions on. :laughing
Taxes are based on voluntary compliance. :afm199
You CAN volunteer out of the system, if you are willing to put up the good fight, but most Americans are pretty comfortable just continuing to pay what our masters say that we must. :mad:
And, there are a lot of things that you CAN'T do if you volunteer out of the system, because the entire banking system is in bed with the IRS and the federal reserve. So unless you have CASH to pay for everything (something we ALL had to do 3 generations ago), you can't buy a car or a house or ANYTHING on credit.
Food for thought.
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I've purchased cars and bikes using those printed cash advance checks from credit card companies. Then I swap the balance between whichever cards have the 0% promotional rate :laughing
 
Lonster said:
This looks like a good topic to share some facts and opinions on. :laughing
Taxes are based on voluntary compliance. :afm199
You CAN volunteer out of the system, if you are willing to put up the good fight, but most Americans are pretty comfortable just continuing to pay what our masters say that we must. :mad:
And, there are a lot of things that you CAN'T do if you volunteer out of the system, because the entire banking system is in bed with the IRS and the federal reserve. So unless you have CASH to pay for everything (something we ALL had to do 3 generations ago), you can't buy a car or a house or ANYTHING on credit.
Food for thought.
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I mean, if you enjoy things like paved roads, clean water, fire fighters, police, national defense, etc, taxes are pretty cool.
 
Abacinator said:
I mean, if you enjoy things like paved roads, clean water, fire fighters, police, national defense, etc, taxes are pretty cool.
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True. But we had most of that stuff before taxes were started (temporarily) to help pay for a war.
 
Firefighters
  • First Paid Fire Department: In response to a major fire in Boston in 1679, the city established the first publicly funded, paid fire department in America, employing a chief and 12 firefighters.
  • First Volunteer Fire Company: Benjamin Franklin founded the Union Fire Company in Philadelphia in 1736, which became the model for volunteer firefighting companies throughout the colonies.
  • First Fully Professional Department: The first fully paid, professional fire department in the U.S. was established in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1853.

Police
  • Early Law Enforcement: Colonial towns had a "night watch" system, dating back to Boston in 1636 and New Amsterdam (New York City) in 1647, where watchmen patrolled at night to warn of fires and crime. These groups were typically volunteers or paid by citizens on a per-call basis.
  • First Organized Municipal Police Force: The first publicly funded, organized police force with officers on duty full-time was created in Boston in 1838. Other major cities followed soon after, including New York City in 1845 and Chicago in 1851.

National Defense
  • Continental Army: The United States' national defense traces its roots to the Continental Army, which was established by the Continental Congress on June 14, 1775, before the Declaration of Independence, to fight the American Revolutionary War.
  • U.S. Constitution: The U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1788, provided the framework for a standing military under civilian control, granting Congress the power to raise and support armies and a navy.
  • Formal Branches: Following the establishment of the U.S. government, formal branches were created:
    • U.S. Army: Established on June 14, 1775 (as the Continental Army).
    • U.S. Navy: Established by Congress on March 27, 1794 (though an earlier "Continental Navy" existed during the Revolution).
    • U.S. Marine Corps: Established on November 10, 1775 (as the Continental Marines).
    • U.S. Air Force: Established as a separate branch in September 1947.

  • Road paving in the U.S. started with asphalt in 1870, when Belgian chemist Edmund J. DeSmedt laid the first modern asphalt pavement in Newark, New Jersey and later on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C., though earlier stone and gravel roads existed, with widespread adoption for city streets and highways growing through the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
So... everybody, can have an opinion.


But, can one opinion be better than another? Can one be CORRECT? Can another be.. simply mostly incorrect!??!

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That is a hard conversation without context. Some are useless emo-drivel, but one would assume that one opinion could be better than another or more, "correct," if the opinions are based on some measure of fact.

For example, someone tells you what the best painting in history is. Art is utterly subjective and there really are no meaningful facts to support such a thing, so it fails in the realm of raw sentiment.


Something like a political opinion on the other hand, can be drivel, or it can be rooted more in observed evidence and trends of implementation to support a rational conclusion, which could potentially make it more correct.
 
Lonster said:
Firefighters
  • First Paid Fire Department: In response to a major fire in Boston in 1679, the city established the first publicly funded, paid fire department in America, employing a chief and 12 firefighters.
  • First Volunteer Fire Company: Benjamin Franklin founded the Union Fire Company in Philadelphia in 1736, which became the model for volunteer firefighting companies throughout the colonies.
  • First Fully Professional Department: The first fully paid, professional fire department in the U.S. was established in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1853.

Police
  • Early Law Enforcement: Colonial towns had a "night watch" system, dating back to Boston in 1636 and New Amsterdam (New York City) in 1647, where watchmen patrolled at night to warn of fires and crime. These groups were typically volunteers or paid by citizens on a per-call basis.
  • First Organized Municipal Police Force: The first publicly funded, organized police force with officers on duty full-time was created in Boston in 1838. Other major cities followed soon after, including New York City in 1845 and Chicago in 1851.

National Defense
  • Continental Army: The United States' national defense traces its roots to the Continental Army, which was established by the Continental Congress on June 14, 1775, before the Declaration of Independence, to fight the American Revolutionary War.
  • U.S. Constitution: The U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1788, provided the framework for a standing military under civilian control, granting Congress the power to raise and support armies and a navy.
  • Formal Branches:Following the establishment of the U.S. government, formal branches were created:
    • U.S. Army: Established on June 14, 1775 (as the Continental Army).
    • U.S. Navy: Established by Congress on March 27, 1794 (though an earlier "Continental Navy" existed during the Revolution).
    • U.S. Marine Corps: Established on November 10, 1775 (as the Continental Marines).
    • U.S. Air Force: Established as a separate branch in September 1947.

  • Road paving in the U.S. started with asphalt in 1870, when Belgian chemist Edmund J. DeSmedt laid the first modern asphalt pavement in Newark, New Jersey and later on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C., though earlier stone and gravel roads existed, with widespread adoption for city streets and highways growing through the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
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True, those things weren't funded by income tax, but according to AI they were funded by property tax, sales tax, tariffs and import taxes, business permits, and revenue from federal land sales. So who knows whether the total tax burden back then was higher or lower than today's. Even if it was lower, that doesn't impress me, because the quality of life back then was crap.
 
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We have this today in SF with the community benefit districts where we pay, extra, to have things like sidewalk cleaning, security and whatnot. Feels like a racket to pay for that AND city services but I guess everyone needs something to do...
 
ST Guy said:
Hitler, besides being totally mad, was constantly on drugs prescribed and administered by his personal doctor. The two drugs Hitler was on most of the time were meth and cocaine.
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I doubt Hitler was actually mad. Hitler, as the war went on, was clearly over-stressed. Remember, all his drugs were prescribed by a licensed physician. He presumably knew the situation best and did what he could. Not as much was understood about these drugs as we understand now. Hitlers probably had Parkinsonā€™s and that is very difficult to treat. Iā€™m sure a lot of experimenting was happening.
 
I never thought that Hitler decided to murder all the Jews because he was just super stressed.
 
You're almost painting hitler as a victim.

Which is an interesting opinion
 
mrmarklin said:
I doubt Hitler was actually mad. Hitler, as the war went on, was clearly over-stressed. Remember, all his drugs were prescribed by a licensed physician. He presumably knew the situation best and did what he could. Not as much was understood about these drugs as we understand now. Hitlers probably had Parkinsonā€™s and that is very difficult to treat. Iā€™m sure a lot of experimenting was happening.
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You bring up an interesting perspective.
I also don't believe that Hitler was mad, at least not outside of the claim by people who believe that anybody who commits murder is mad, something I don't agree with.
He was power hungry and either had or had access to experts on manipulation the poplulation by presenting a bogeyman (Jews) to focus hate on and convince people to commit attricities. He had the advantage of the aftermath of WW1 which was very harsh on the Germans, which set them up psychologically to fall for Hitlers Hard Right line of providing somebody to blame then immediately using his advantage to eliminate any potential competition to his ambitions.
I really doubt he had Parkinsons, he was probably suffering from the massive acceleration of aging that Meth brings about, I doubt that the doctors of the time truly knew how damaging that constant meth use was to the whole body.
 
meth use increases paranoia significantly, in Hitlers situation and considering the attempt on his life he was probably extremely paranoid which would lead to irrationality. You can say he wasn't crazy but he was probably under significant psychological pressure that in any individual today would lead to be institutionalized.

Edit: have you ever visited someone in a mental institution?
 
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