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PG&E TOU Plans

ctwo

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Sorry, don't know how this got in this forum. Mods, please move...

So I have to pick a plan:

1. Stay on two tiered pricing
2. TOU 4-9pm every day highest price
3. TOU 5-8pm weekends highest price

This should be a simple math exercise, but they don't say what the rates will be for any time period, so there is no way to tell what would be less costly.

Of course, I probably use most of my electricity during the TOU higher price times, and I will be going back to the office anyway.

I'm about 25% over baseline now.

Any insight?
 
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I'm on the 5-8 plan and it's off peak it's $0.28/kWh and $0.38/kWh on peak. I don't know what the split is on the other plan.
 
Moved to the Sink.
 
They default switch you off flat to tou. That should tell you all you need to know from their corrupt asses.
 
The best for me is TOU by $.

I'm on E-6 now, which is estimated to be the most cost effective for me based on my usage history as estimated by PG&E. You can log in and find "Electric Rate Plan Comparison". This link may work.

E-6 happens to be closed to new customers and I had to "opt-out" multiple times in order to prevent PG&E to switching me to Time-of-Use (Peak Pricing 4–9 pm) which would be ~$35 more a year.

I charge a EV motorcycle and a Plug-In Hybrid, so I have those programed to charge at 10 pm when off-peak for me.
 
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Whatever PG&E wants to move you to is the plan you don't want to be on.
 
Climber said:
Whatever PG&E wants to move you to is the plan you don't want to be on.
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Whatever they can do to help their plan to blow up or burn down every single town in NorCal is just in your best interest, citizen.
 
I just looked at my powerbill for my apartment, its .41 for peak, .35 for off-peak, and that's just for delivery charges :wtf

then apparently I'm buying my power from east bay community energy which tacks on another .16, and .11, respectively.

So peak rate I am now paying .57 :wtf:wtf

I feel like the rates were half this amount or less, 5 years ago.
 
This combined with battery technology advancements...I can't wait til I can unplug from their shady asses completely. I bet it comes in my lifetime.
 
kingmoochr said:
This combined with battery technology advancements...I can't wait til I can unplug from their shady asses completely. I bet it comes in my lifetime.
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I was just looking at some numbers.

Seems like e-car battery prices are around $140/kWh and expected to drop to $100/kWh. Cells may cycle as many as 2000 times. That's ~$140/1000kWh, or $0.07/kWh.

Then the popular home power banks:

Tesla: $555/kWh warranted output: 37,800kWh -> $0.015/kWh
LG Chem: $757/kWh warranted output: 22,400kWh -> $0.034/kWh
Sonnen: $950/kWh warranted output: 58000kWh -> $0.016/kWh

And all of those should have over 50% capacity left.
 
mercurial said:
I just looked at my powerbill for my apartment, its .41 for peak, .35 for off-peak, and that's just for delivery charges :wtf

then apparently I'm buying my power from east bay community energy which tacks on another .16, and .11, respectively.

So peak rate I am now paying .57 :wtf:wtf

I feel like the rates were half this amount or less, 5 years ago.
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They have to pay for all that deferred maintenance that stacked up after they diverted the original money for maintenance off to shareholders and executives. :laughing

It pretty much was a long term mob style bust out over there.
 
I have to go to night school to understand my electricity choices, solar options, which company to buy power from etc etc.

I hate this shit. I have no idea what tier I am on....just another one that got by this geezer.
 
ctwo said:
I was just looking at some numbers.

Seems like e-car battery prices are around $140/kWh and expected to drop to $100/kWh. Cells may cycle as many as 2000 times. That's ~$140/1000kWh, or $0.07/kWh.

Then the popular home power banks:

Tesla: $555/kWh warranted output: 37,800kWh -> $0.015/kWh
LG Chem: $757/kWh warranted output: 22,400kWh -> $0.034/kWh
Sonnen: $950/kWh warranted output: 58000kWh -> $0.016/kWh

And all of those should have over 50% capacity left.
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That just the battery price? Or completely installed and operational?
 
If you have a usage history with them, you can sign in to your account and they will give you an annual estimate of each of those options. Just be careful that you are actually buying your power from them. If you are in Sonoma county, odds are that you are only paying for transmission infrastructure costs and the generation is paid to the county. In that case, you will still get the estimate as if you were paying generation costs to PG&E when you are not.

Flip
 
kingmoochr said:
That just the battery price? Or completely installed and operational?
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That is just the retail battery pricing, and projected for a 10-year lifespan to 60% or 70% warranted capacity, which I'm sure goes down much more quickly from then. But for an off-grid installation, that seems cheap. I thought I read it was ~$0.50/kWh for batteries, vs. feeding the grid, and even for small systems like an RV, so this kind of gives me a different perspective on going off-grid.

I'd still like to use gas so I'm kind of married to them, unless thinking LP would work. I'm sure the city would not let me install a larger residential tank.

flips21 said:
If you have a usage history with them, you can sign in to your account and they will give you an annual estimate of each of those options. Just be careful that you are actually buying your power from them. If you are in Sonoma county, odds are that you are only paying for transmission infrastructure costs and the generation is paid to the county. In that case, you will still get the estimate as if you were paying generation costs to PG&E when you are not.

Flip
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I think I'm getting it all from PG&E but there was something about generation costs. I looked at my usage history and they've calculated it for me over the past 13 months. But looking further back, usage was a lot different before SIP, where more than half of my usage was during peak rate.

So I think I'll stay on my tiered plan and supplement with solar where I can, so I can stay within baseline.
 
Time to get involved and oppose continuous and massive rate hikes.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...other-rate-hike-in-2023-to-boost-16285643.php


This will hurt the low income folks the most because rich folks will just invest in solar and energy storage and basically create their own power. Poor folks will be left holding the bag.

The side benefit, is that the higher the rates go, the more people will go solar+energy storage and the cleaner the grid will get with more reliability.
 
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Killroy1999 said:
Time to get involved and oppose continuous and massive rate hikes.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...other-rate-hike-in-2023-to-boost-16285643.php


This will hurt the low income folks the most because rich folks will just invest in solar and energy storage and basically create their own power. Poor folks will be left holding the bag.

The side benefit, is that the higher the rates go, the more people will go solar+energy storage and the cleaner the grid will get with more reliability.
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No because there is another plan in the works that will change the NEM rules + charge $70 for a connection fee to PG&E. So solar customers will be just as screwed by this rate hike and they are planning to make it retroactive to existing solar customers as well.
 
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