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Please keep speed down on Skyline Blvd, Oakland...

You riders are asked to slow down in residential areas. Be adults and do it. That section of skyline sucks anyway!

They are complaining about speed in Oakland, (the nice part) how long do you think till OPD post up there every day? We are lucky a fellow rider relayed the message (don't kill the messenger) because it gives us time to react to this road rage type bull.
My neighbor is an Oakland cop; he rides up there too. (Message to the oil/sand person)

When you ride mines you are asked not to buzz the houses right? Try to practice some common courtesy. I feel sorry for the residents on Alba
 
AllyCat said:
It is not about understanding what was written. There have been problems in the Oakland Hills with bikes for years. The hill people want there to be no noise no bikes no cars. Move to Lafayette,Moraga,or Danville in a secure safe place for your kids and dogs and your SUV 's that park all over Skyline. I don't have an issue with the slowing down point at all....... It is the way it was presented.
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Ok, I realize this was my first post on this particular board. I guess I could have started with an introduction or something less controversial, sorry. But how was my post presented that offended you?

Just some more points, then I'll shut up:
- never said no noise no bikes no cars. I own a motorcycle and I own a car. I r-i-d-e, and have for years, and so do a lot of poeple up here
- don't own an SUV, never have--all my vehicles are parked off the road
- I choose to live on Skyline, and it should be a safe area for kids--is there a problem with that?
- I was reporting what I've been hearing more and more about from neighbors and friends who live on Skyline, and I'm concerned

Hey, I'll admit, my post was mainly selfish. I don't want other people throwing oil on the road I ride on. I don't want more police patrolling Skyline (they have better things to do anyway). My neighbors (and I) don't want to pull out of our driveway and be t-boned by a speeding bike. And they (we) most of all don't want our kids or SOs injured or killed while they are (legally) walking/running/bicycling on Skyline. And hey, if someone reads this and maybe watches their speed (incl. myself), and it saves them a ticket or their life, then bonus points I guess. I'll go home now. Thanks.

P.S.--oops, didn't read the second page of posts... newbie and all... :angel Thanks for the understanding. Again, not trying to be offensive, just what I see and hear that could become a bad situation. It does suck up here, Redwood's much better (when the gravel is gone)...
 
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I ride/drive Skyline and Grizzy Peak all the time. i will agree that there are certin parts of skyline that have driveways and houses which require to be driven by with some respect. i rip up the non-driveway/house areas on skyline like they were my own personal racetrack, and i think that is perfectly OK. when i go by the residential sections of skyline, i slow it down to around 30-40mph.

if you are a resident on skyline you should be aware of a couple things.

1) drivers go fast around there and you cant expect people to go by your house at a 25mph pace. i go 30-35mph thru true residential neighborhoods, i'm sure not gonna go any slower than that on skyline because there are a few houses.

2) by living on skyline you sacrafice a few things. you can never let your kids go play out in front of the house. you cant expect to be able to safely walk you mutt on the road outside your house, or go for a jog without being in fear of being run over by a bike or a car for that matter. and screw riding your bike on that road (or any road), if you ask me.

3) someone putting oil/water/sand on the road i see as near 1st degree murder. the roads are unsafe enough without people doing immature/stupid things like that.

I slow it down considerably in the residential areas of Skyline and Grizzly Peak. after reading this post I will probably go a notch slower around those areas. but i will NEVER go slower on the non-populated areas of those roads, and neither will anyone else. i am too poor for track days, and thats as good as it gets for me.
 
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DaveT: While your heartfelt plea for sanity is well intentioned, it will, unfortunately, do no good. Most riders have the good sense to slow down and watch for the inevitable hazards in a residential area. But the rest, there's no reaching them.

Due to indiscriminate, drug-fueled breeding in an earlier generation and destruction of cerebral cortex by their own lacquer thinner huffing, a few riders lack the cognitive skillls to understand the risks to their riding posed by the normal activity of other people. Let alone the give-and-take of behaving in someone else's neighborhood as they would have him behave in theirs.

Work with others in the neighborhood to get increased traffic enforcement. The threat of chickenshit harassment by the cops seems to clear out dickheads in a hurry.

Make sure your neighbor who is contemplating the crime of oiling the road knows that he could hurt an innocent rider just as easily as a guilty one. And make sure he knows that you heard him make the threat and that you'll report him if any vandalism occurs. Give him an incentive to see that the road stays extra clean.
 
DaveT- Props to you for being civil. I rode skyline for the first time a couple of weeks ago and could not believe that this is what some people considered a sportbike road. More like an accident waiting to happen. It's nice and curvy but way too residential.
All those east bay riders need to suck it up and make the trek out to mines.
 
SpeedyCorky said:

2) by living on skyline you sacrafice a few things. you can never let your kids go play out in front of the house. you cant expect to be able to safely walk you mutt on the road outside your house, or go for a jog without being in fear of being run over by a bike or a car for that matter. and screw riding your bike on that road (or any road), if you ask me.

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Why not? Because he lives on a twisty road? Because you have a right to blast through 25MPH residential neighborhoods like the laws and common sense don't apply to you? It's that attitude that will cause that area to be patrolled more heavily and a lot more tickets handed out. And it will be 100 times worse if somebody's kid gets run over by a speeding motorcycle.

There are plenty of roads with no houses, where you can speed in relative safety. What's so great about Skyline that you just have to keep flying through there?
 
Look, Ive learned from my own experiences living on foothill blvd in oakland. You cant stop speeding and you definately cant keep folks off the road (unless you have a private road)...so the only option is to MOVE. However, you cant be the brightest person putting a post like this on a sportbike forum...perhaps you should be in the squids forum based on that alone. Furthermore you probably made the whole thing about the oil and sand on the street tactic up just to get a response from folks. You seem to exercise poor judgement so I can see why you would be the one whose dog gets outta tha house or gate and runs into the street to get hit. I see why you are concerned about that.

:mad
 
OldFatGuy said:
Why not? Because he lives on a twisty road? Because you have a right to blast through 25MPH residential neighborhoods like the laws and common sense don't apply to you? It's that attitude that will cause that area to be patrolled more heavily and a lot more tickets handed out. And it will be 100 times worse if somebody's kid gets run over by a speeding motorcycle.

There are plenty of roads with no houses, where you can speed in relative safety. What's so great about Skyline that you just have to keep flying through there?
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DO YOU SERIOUSLY GO 25MPH in a 25MPH zone!? i mean come on. i stated i go thru the residential areas at a regular, relitivly safe speed; a speed that i use common sence when applying to. i stated that SEVERAL times to make it very clear - you obviously didnt catch on.

I seriously hope more patrol cars sit up on skyline so long as they enforce the areas where the houses are at. and i hope these patrol cars hand out hefty tickets and fines to riders who blast by the houses. but there is no sence in handing out tickets to riders who carve thru the corners where there isnt anything but road. and yes, you do lose the option of having your kids being able to play outside if you live on Skyline - exact same thing goes for if you live on Grand ave, College Ave, etc etc or any busy residential/commerical street. the road is just too dangerious for kids to be playing outside unless you live on a VERY LOW TRAFFIC residential area. if letting your kids outside to play ball and ride thier bicycles around the area is imprtant to you - then dont raise your kids on Skyline or any road like it, or on any busy street. thats just common sence to me... :rolleyes
 
SpeedyCorky said:
DO YOU SERIOUSLY GO 25MPH in a 25MPH zone!?
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Yep, sometimes even slower. I know all the people who live within 2-3 blocks of my house. I know all the kids, moms, dads from walking my dogs around the neighborhood. I will get on my bike, or in my car and follow people who I think are going too fast in a residental neighbor hood. I will talk to them, and show them all the things that could happen. They are usually just not paying attention, and understand the issue. I don't have any kids, but I have cats, and dogs, and have wonderful neighbors with wonderful kids and the last thing I want to do, again, is perform CPR on someone who doesnt make it...
On the other hand, I have been clocked at 100+ by some members of our distinguished law enforcement agencies on the freeway. Not many kids or dogs playing there.
SAS
 
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well i sure dont go 25mph in a 25mph zone, and i dont really know anyone else that does either; except for my grandma who shouldnt even be driving according to her past 3 eye exams. granted, i will slow to whatever speed is neccessary - be it just 2mph if i see a potential danger like kids/pets etc playing in the street or even outside the house in the yard. i am respectful of people and the laws, but 25mph on a deserted street is really damn slow. lots of residents will go slow the last 2 blocks on their way home, out of respect for the neighbors they know - but get them out on a residential street they dont know and arnt a part of and they'll go fast.

i think its pretty safe to say that over 80% of drivers on the road go over the speed limit - on residential/commerical/freeway roads. speed limits are purposely set low so that people will not be going *quite* as fast when they break them. not to say that a 25mph speed limit is even slow enough to be "safe" in all residential circumstances - of course its not. 25mph is pretty fast compaired to a lot of things - but i see nothing wrong or disrespectful in driving 30mph to 35mph down a residential area that has a clear view down the street and no activity happening.
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SpeedyCorky said:
well i sure dont go 25mph in a 25mph zone, and i dont really know anyone else that does either...............
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well, since you ride in Marin make sure you're doing 25mph when you ride through Nacassio.....the sheriff/chp occasionally hide right near the Pumpkin patch ...told a buddy of mine to pull over and he was only doing 35........
 
Damn, I read some of these posts and understand why sportbikers have such a bad reputation. Is it too much effort not to act like an ass in residential neighborhoods?
 
I learned a long time ago that anything can happen on a seemingly empty resi street cuz out of nowhere a girl on a bicycle popped out from a driveway and t-boned me :wow just out of NOWHERE. her tooth left a huge gouge on the hood before breaking off and then she jumped up and took off running :wow x2 that was a horrible incident and thank god she wasn't hurt bad. I can still hear the impact of the bike and see her flying over the car and think of my sister's kids and so glad they moved away to a cul de sac location.

the only people that speed down our street don't live there and some of them are hauling ass so quickly I wish I was a cop so I could pull their asses over (and check for drugs, weapons, prior offenses LOL you get the idea). some dumbasses have the nerve to stop at the top and do a burnout and this is no big street neither. I haven't narc'd on them but they deserve it. and I know I'm not perfect neither. knocks on wood.
 
Wasn't everyone taught common courtesy/sense?
Take it down a notch or two around residential areas.
 
Never mind.

People won't learn until something bad happens to them or somebody they know.

Probably hear a bunch of complaining about stepped up enforcement and bogus tickets.
 
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k rayz 650 said:
<snip>However, you cant be the brightest person putting a post like this on a sportbike forum...
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Actually, since most of the bikes speeding on Skyline are sportbikes (by my observations), I think this is the *best* place to put up a warning post...

Since there are still some misperceptions about Skyline (and a lot of roads like it), here are a few more points to maybe think about:

- I've never seen kids playing on Skyline Blvd. If they are, their parents should be shot. I do see, every day, kids walking along Skyline (usually with their parents, not always). There are no sidewalks. There is no way to get to a neighbor/friend's house without walking along/across Skyline. No family is going to get in their car to drive 6 houses down the street (maybe in LA, but...). There are also several parks on Skyline that many people walk along the road to get to.
- even on the non-residential sections there are still runners and lots of bicyclists. They have every right to be there. They deserve respect as well. As a bicyclist, cranking up a steep hill it's easy to run over something small and swerve. Please give 'em some room--it's in your best interest.
- bikes aren't the only vehicles speeding on Skyline (as I noted in my first post). Cars and trucks as well. Several times I've gone around the sharp corners near Skyline Gate to find a car coming at me half in my lane. Another reason to keep the speed down...

This post has probably dragged out long enough--those that understand do, and those that don't probably won't ever. It's all about respect as far as I'm concerned. You give it, you get it. You disrespect people's safety and where they live, then those people are eventually going to get pissed off enough to disrespect you back in a bad way. All I'm asking is not to have it come to this. 'Nuff said, time to go our riding. Thanks.
 
Honestly, Skyline is a pretty dangerous esp. when you make the left at the stop sign (the one that takes you on either skyline or old tunnel rd.)and you really start getting into blind driveways, bicyclists and pedestrain. Having a park in the middle certainly doesn't help the situation any. I used rail up there all the time and had a lot of close calls which sadly you become immune to after a while but it only takes one hit.... Oh and let's not forget the water trails across the roads on certain corners. You know it's pathetic when you know exactly where every routine hazard is. :(

Krazy and other brave defenders: go race on grizzly or bear creek or alhambra or Redwood. Those roads have much less hazards and visibility is better.
 
k rayz 650 said:
However, you cant be the brightest person putting a post like this on a sportbike forum...perhaps you should be in the squids forum based on that alone. Furthermore you probably made the whole thing about the oil and sand on the street tactic up just to get a response from folks. You seem to exercise poor judgement
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enjoy the points :banana

If I had a forum to slow down the idiots on my block I'd be posting on it every day
 
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