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Police Motorcycle Training
- Thread starter motorman4life
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Do they need "dirtbags" for the EVOC course? 
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silversvs said:
If they would like some help (as long as no one trys to PIT me off a bike
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beginner
New member
motorman4life,
You suggested to a civilian rider they should focus on 18 by 36 foot figure 8s and when that exercise was perfected you'd advise what to do next.
I started riding in June 08. Since then I've managed about 260 hours. At least half of that in a parking lot and much of that doing 18 by 36 foot figure 8's. I do Uturns, quarter turns and serpentines but I keep coming back to the figure 8 because it seems like the most productive maneuver I've got.
I'd be grateful if you'd take a look at my figure 8, which is well practiced but not perfected, and tell me what I might do next. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5b3-Gk0kQE
I don't use clutch or brake in figure 8s. If I should be using them I need to understand why. In this particular video I was going more for speed and not so much for precision. I'm more accurate at a slower speed. The bike is 300cc and 240 pounds. I don't plan on ever going bigger.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
You suggested to a civilian rider they should focus on 18 by 36 foot figure 8s and when that exercise was perfected you'd advise what to do next.
I started riding in June 08. Since then I've managed about 260 hours. At least half of that in a parking lot and much of that doing 18 by 36 foot figure 8's. I do Uturns, quarter turns and serpentines but I keep coming back to the figure 8 because it seems like the most productive maneuver I've got.
I'd be grateful if you'd take a look at my figure 8, which is well practiced but not perfected, and tell me what I might do next. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5b3-Gk0kQE
I don't use clutch or brake in figure 8s. If I should be using them I need to understand why. In this particular video I was going more for speed and not so much for precision. I'm more accurate at a slower speed. The bike is 300cc and 240 pounds. I don't plan on ever going bigger.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Irate_Tile_Man
New member
I had a great experience at the Alameda civilian courses (I did basic through advanced). If anyone is interested, here's a write-up http://tinyurl.com/6o7r9k
masameet
Rawr!
I'm not a LEO, beginner, but you demonstrate good throttle control.
One thing you could work on is looking through your turn. Your head should not be looking in front of you. Instead your head should be at an angle to your chest, in the direction that you're heading toward, so that your eyes can see where you're going next. This technique will help you when you're riding in dirt.
One thing you could work on is looking through your turn. Your head should not be looking in front of you. Instead your head should be at an angle to your chest, in the direction that you're heading toward, so that your eyes can see where you're going next. This technique will help you when you're riding in dirt.
Iszlandsnow
Break yourself
5MARY4
New member
Don't forget about us... http://www.srdtf.com/
Go to class scheduling and scroll down,, there's a nice video in there of our school. I just spent the last two weeks out there instructing,, a great time as always.
MM4L; That is the first I have heard about Brinkerhof,, too bad that guy is a MC legend...
Beginner: A few things I see that could use improvement. Your head turns are waaaay late. As you transition thru the fig 8,, your head should already be around looking back toward the center. Slow down through the transition. Counterbalance the bike. Are the bars locked fully to the frame during your turn,, if not lock them out and hold them tight against the frame, this will tighten up your turn tremendously.
Practice making a circle at the same location you are training. As you are doing this, turn your head to the inside of your turn and try to find your tail light. If you can see your tail light,, that is a good head turn. Don't look down at it though, find it our of your peripheral while maintaining a high visual horizon. Work on that for a bit and I'll give you some tips on the transition.
I'm not trying to be harsh here, to the contrary, I hope you stay motivated and continue to improve your skills. He11, your ahead of most by just going out and trying,, good job !
Oh almost forgot,, Silvr: yer GF is hawt!!
Go to class scheduling and scroll down,, there's a nice video in there of our school. I just spent the last two weeks out there instructing,, a great time as always.
MM4L; That is the first I have heard about Brinkerhof,, too bad that guy is a MC legend...
Beginner: A few things I see that could use improvement. Your head turns are waaaay late. As you transition thru the fig 8,, your head should already be around looking back toward the center. Slow down through the transition. Counterbalance the bike. Are the bars locked fully to the frame during your turn,, if not lock them out and hold them tight against the frame, this will tighten up your turn tremendously.
Practice making a circle at the same location you are training. As you are doing this, turn your head to the inside of your turn and try to find your tail light. If you can see your tail light,, that is a good head turn. Don't look down at it though, find it our of your peripheral while maintaining a high visual horizon. Work on that for a bit and I'll give you some tips on the transition.
I'm not trying to be harsh here, to the contrary, I hope you stay motivated and continue to improve your skills. He11, your ahead of most by just going out and trying,, good job !
Oh almost forgot,, Silvr: yer GF is hawt!!
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masameet
Rawr!
Too bad SSD doesn't offer civilian motor training.
masameet
Rawr!
Oh, that would be so sweet! 
Still I wonder if the Sacto dudes would not like my arriving 2 hours late. Raleigh at ASCO didn't mind at all.
P.S. Hey, Brian!
Still I wonder if the Sacto dudes would not like my arriving 2 hours late. Raleigh at ASCO didn't mind at all.
P.S. Hey, Brian!
silversvs
Lean, Twist, repeat.....
Hey Brian,
She says thanks!
I just got back from San Bernardino where I got my instructor certificate.
I'd like to come up and hang out a few days for one of your schools to see if there is anything to steal.
All else is good. Hope the same for you and your crew.
beginner
New member
Mary, The backwards looking you mention is something I do when I'm practicing the same maneuver, or Uturns, in an actual road, because cars do come along (the rural roads where I am can get very quiet). I see that as learning to be less reliant on visual references for maneuvering the bike. Looking over my shoulder does not make my turns more accurate but it's a useful skill to have.
I don't think I slow down in the middle of the figure 8. Not sure why that would matter. It would be impossible to do that size figure 8 at that speed without counter balancing, it should be noticable in the video.
The figure 8 size allows some speed and keeps a good steering challenge. I can make them smaller by going to first gear and slowing down but that's a different exercise.
Do you know of a youtube video of someone doing a full lock, lock-to-lock figure 8? Do you even know somebody who can do that? It would be inspiring to see.
beginner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P8NgWlcMVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCgWHykfB6k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTsFkoBWwPQ&feature=related
And then make sure you check out the real pros (Police Motors) during their skills/competition meet. There are many to view on YouTube.
Break
Hi Brian,
Thanks again for lending me your ear a few weeks ago up at A&S motors, while you were getting a tire put on. Hope you made it home before the rain and kicked butt up at Redding!!!
artyPatrick
beginner
New member
Thanks for the demonstration. I posted a question on your video before I realized you posted the videos here. I'll ask again, how much riding and practice did you need before those locked turns were possible? I try that occaisionally and my balance skills are not there yet.
I admire the Asian gymkhana riders. They have the advantage of smaller bikes but I also ride a small one (KLX300r).
5MARY4
New member
Patrick,,
Good to hear from you again. Redding was an absolute blast. RPD holds a great event. Our Unit (SSD) did very well.
Beginner: I hope my tone does not sound too harsh,, again I'm not trying to be overly critical, just helpful. All of your training (in the tight "patterns") should be done in 1st gear,, as slow as you can possibly go. The slower/tighter you can complete a turn,, the more control you have over the bike. If you can do it at 2 mph,, 7mph is a breeze. All of our students are required to be extremely proficient at doing lock to lock turns. Most (if not all) of the Police MC patterns require this skill. Getting your eyes waaay ahead of you is paramount in developing this skill.
Take a look at my avatar <---. That is me in Oakland last year. My eyes are out in front of me and had been so prior to that turn. My body is actually unwinding around my head. The turn I am in currently was initiated a looong time ago when I first visually picked up the cone way before I got there. As I rotate around that cone my head will start turning right as I approach the next cone.
Good to hear from you again. Redding was an absolute blast. RPD holds a great event. Our Unit (SSD) did very well.
Beginner: I hope my tone does not sound too harsh,, again I'm not trying to be overly critical, just helpful. All of your training (in the tight "patterns") should be done in 1st gear,, as slow as you can possibly go. The slower/tighter you can complete a turn,, the more control you have over the bike. If you can do it at 2 mph,, 7mph is a breeze. All of our students are required to be extremely proficient at doing lock to lock turns. Most (if not all) of the Police MC patterns require this skill. Getting your eyes waaay ahead of you is paramount in developing this skill.
Take a look at my avatar <---. That is me in Oakland last year. My eyes are out in front of me and had been so prior to that turn. My body is actually unwinding around my head. The turn I am in currently was initiated a looong time ago when I first visually picked up the cone way before I got there. As I rotate around that cone my head will start turning right as I approach the next cone.
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