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Predictions for Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz in UFC 196?

kevin 714 said:
The fight was booked as a welterweight fight and recognized as such by the athletic commission. Whether one cuts weight or not doesn't change the weight limit? Otherwise Frankie Edgar choosing not to cut whole fighting at LW (he openly fought at LW with no cutting) wouldn't have been lightweight champ lol


It WAS a ww fight, just Diaz moved up from LW to do so. It 100% was a welterweight fight. It was not a catche weight fight or an open weight bout. It had an official limit, both fighters were marginally under it (1 and 2 lbs).
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The discussion at the time was centered around Connor moving up two weight classes to fight at WW. Nate does not fight at WW, he fights at LW and walks around outside of fight camp at or near 170lbs, cutting weight to 155lbs. Robbie Lawler fights at WW and walks around at or near 200lbs, cutting weight to 170lbs. Connor was not fighting a WW fighter, he was fighting a LW fighter who did not go through the weight cut process.

The argument presented is not that the Commission is/was categorizing this as a WW fight, nor that the fight wasn't going to be fought at or below 170lbs. The argument is that fighting a 170lb Nate Diaz does not = fighting a WW.

I would expect you can agree that if the FIM flew both Rossi's M1 and Marquez's RC213V to Austin Tx along with the full crew to support. We would have MotoGP bikes on a MotoGP track, but if you and I were to race those bike it is not a MotoGP race. If you were to race and beat Roger Hayden on a MotoGP bike at a MotoGP track, that does not mean you would be likely to finish in the top 25 in a MotoGP race as Roger is not a MotoGP caliber rider. That is the general "gist" of my contention that Connor, while fighting at 170lb's is not moving up two weight classes in the equivalent sense as if he is fighting a WW fighter vs a LW who didn't cut weight.
 
nbean16 said:
He has fought in both divisions. But if you think him and conor are naturally similar weights, youre way off.
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Funny, Conor's coach even says he's a huge FW and focuses a lot of energy on weight cutting. I have seen every single one of Conor and Diaz UFC fights.I know who they've fought. Up against true WW like Rory, Diaz looked under sized and got ragdolled. Hes 2 and 2 at WW and there is a good reason why Nate hasn't gone back to that class.

Sure, it was a WW fight, but remember, Cmac also had the LW title in the UK.

If Cmac fought Lawler, sure, he definitely gives up size. Id give him and all his cry baby excuse makers that. But he didn't. He gave up height and reach which all his opponents did to him.

He got cocky and fought a tough guy his own size. Not saying he's not good. He's obviously very good. He should also tone it down a bit and STFU with the excuses.
 
Mike95060 said:
But how much weight does a guy like that cut and rehydrate to? My biggest objection to weight cuts is I think they are dangerous. Is it a weigh in at 135 and fight at 145? When the whole field is doing that what's the point?
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Height only matters so much. Mark Hunt is supposedly 5'11". His leg weighs 135lb. George Roop is a skinny mofo. I walked right past Nick Diaz and he's not particularly huge or anything. A 5'9" guy with a body builder physique should be physically stronger at the same weight.
 
My900ss said:
The discussion at the time was centered around Connor moving up two weight classes to fight at WW. Nate does not fight at WW, he fights at LW and walks around outside of fight camp at or near 170lbs, cutting weight to 155lbs. Robbie Lawler fights at WW and walks around at or near 200lbs, cutting weight to 170lbs. Connor was not fighting a WW fighter, he was fighting a LW fighter who did not go through the weight cut process.

The argument presented is not that the Commission is/was categorizing this as a WW fight, nor that the fight wasn't going to be fought at or below 170lbs. The argument is that fighting a 170lb Nate Diaz does not = fighting a WW.

I would expect you can agree that if the FIM flew both Rossi's M1 and Marquez's RC213V to Austin Tx along with the full crew to support. We would have MotoGP bikes on a MotoGP track, but if you and I were to race those bike it is not a MotoGP race. If you were to race and beat Roger Hayden on a MotoGP bike at a MotoGP track, that does not mean you would be likely to finish in the top 25 in a MotoGP race as Roger is not a MotoGP caliber rider. That is the general "gist" of my contention that Connor, while fighting at 170lb's is not moving up two weight classes in the equivalent sense as if he is fighting a WW fighter vs a LW who didn't cut weight.
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Roger Hayden has raced motogp three times and gotten 10,11, and 17 just FYI
 
Way to miss the point Kev!




Lots of Stockton Slaps in that fight. Maybe the highest percentage thrown in any fight.
 
kevin 714 said:
Roger Hayden has raced motogp three times and gotten 10,11, and 17 just FYI
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Top 10 in the highest level of motorcycle road racing this planet has to offer. On a borrowed bike. IN HIS FIRST RACE. :laughing

That vid above with the slapping noises is bothersome, seeing McGregor standing there with his hands hanging down by his hips. :mad
 
Interesting that both Diaz brothers are longtime vegans.
When I lived that lifestyle it was near impossable to put on weight. Tons of energy but skinny as a rail.
 
Brown81 said:
Way to miss the point Kev!




Lots of Stockton Slaps in that fight. Maybe the highest percentage thrown in any fight.
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I understood his point. thats why I wrote "just fyi"


I think mac was doing well but diaz got in his head and then he started doing the idiotic hands down thing, like to prove a point or something. I HATE when guys do that, or shy away from the gameplan

fighting a longer bigger guy means you stick and move, land and retreat, use angles and leg kicks to BUILD to the KO, not try and haymaker off the bat to KO in first round. diaz gameplan worked perfect and conor did not have a good one. I commend conor for taking the fight on short notice with so much to lose, and diaz for showing hes always in fight shape.

I do not like the diaz brothers, but diaz earned that victory and his top positijnal control and fluidity was awesome to watch
 
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Anybody else's prediction come true??

Mine did!

I didn't watch it :twofinger
 
It's so satisfying to have one of the Diaz boys shut CMG's trap. Nate was superior in every facet of the fight. I was getting alot of pleasure watching Connor talk in a hushed tones and search for words to explain that man sized ass whipping. The worst thing you can do as a fighter is start to believe your own hype!

Feed him to Frankie next!
 
Critter said:
It's so satisfying to have one of the Diaz boys shut CMG's trap. Nate was superior in every facet of the fight. I was getting alot of pleasure watching Connor talk in a hushed tones and search for words to explain that man sized ass whipping. The worst thing you can do as a fighter is start to believe your own hype!

Feed him to Frankie next!
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Nate won the fight but let's not let Conor hate cloud it. Nate wasn't superior in every aspect, he lost round 1. Conor landed more and bigger shots in round one, and even had a nice single leg X sweep on Nate to get on top. Conor clearly dominated round 1, but got pyched out by bates ability to take his best shots. Nate smelled blood then and took the win.
 
Critter said:
It's so satisfying to have one of the Diaz boys shut CMG's trap. Nate was superior in every facet of the fight. I was getting alot of pleasure watching Connor talk in a hushed tones and search for words to explain that man sized ass whipping. The worst thing you can do as a fighter is start to believe your own hype!

Feed him to Frankie next!
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Nate had a better game plan and stuck to it.

Let's not get carried away with the rhetoric, it was not such a one-sided fight like you're trying to make it out to be.
 
I'm still waiting for Nate to say in a fake Irish accent: "he was just a wee little lad."
 
I would like to see Conor fight Edgar next. If he wins then vacate and move to LW. If he loses then he stays around at FW.


I think Nate deserves another serious money fight after this. Problem is not a lot of big money fights in LW, and I think at WW he get smashed. I'd say another title shot just cause he saved a show, but dos anjos annihilated him

Penn? A returning GSP? No idea who a money fight is at LW/WW unless Nate can get down to 145
 
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Climber said:
Nate had a better game plan and stuck to it.

Let's not get carried away with the rhetoric, it was not such a one-sided fight like you're trying to make it out to be.
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Call it what you want guys Nate was in control from Bell to Bell of course he took some shots but he was the superior fighter. Do you guys really think his boxing was better than Nate's?

He dictated range, picked his shots, talked some shit and ultimately choked him out.

When he put that one two on Connors chin and he shot for the take down I screamed its over! When he went to mount and had his arm trapped as soon as that knee went over he slammed the fucking door on any chance of CMG coming back.

No hate, no ill will it was what it was...feel free to explain to me where Connor was better than Nate. Cause I didn't see it.
 
Critter said:
No hate, no ill will it was what it was...feel free to explain to me where Connor was better than Nate. Cause I didn't see it.
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I didn't either, really. Much has been made of how much of a mess Nate's face was, but there's a lot of scar tissue on that mug. Both he and Nick cut and bleed easily.
 
Don't know what fight you guys were watching but Conor landed some heavy leather and frankly I was worried for Nate in the 1st round.

And, Nates face was pretty jacked up even after stitches, lol. He got hit by a lot of punches.

Didn't stop him from winning or me from cheering about it though!
 
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