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Questions for Keith Code - Round Two
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Burning1
I'm scareoused!
The average I see at a single race is between 3-5. The average I see at a track days is between 4 and 10 (off track, not necessarily off bike.)
I would expect that you could easily push that below 2, with proper management of the students. I'm going to guess 1.5, only because .5 is already taken.
Edit: Oh damn. Change that to a guess of 1.
Alexey
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I'm bidding 0.6.
Z3n
Squid.
I'm bidding .4
Keith Code
New member
winner
sv got it first,
It is 1.15.
sv, pm me your shipping details and the size Qualifiers you need.
Keith
sv got it first,
It is 1.15.
sv, pm me your shipping details and the size Qualifiers you need.
Keith
hitman5532
The Anti-Squid
i was off by .15 ........damn
PM sent, and Thank you very much!
I've always enjoyed reading your opinions and finding little gems in this thread...and now I get a set of Qualifiers. Wow.
I was thinking it's probably below 2 (since you claim it to be a good record), but I can't decide if it's going to be below 1 (as that seems like really low). So I make the 1.5 guess to cover anything between 1 and 2.
1.15 is an amazing record considering that people are learning new things (i.e. probably pushing themselves/bikes).
Thanks again, and I will be putting those Qualifiers to use.
I think the format of the class lends greatly to the lack of crashing, if it's followed by the students that is. Only focusing on the drill and less on "going fast" or other distractions (braking for example) is a great way to learn new things. Good on CSS for developing a program/curriculum that enables that kind of focus and improvement!
Burning1
I'm scareoused!
1.15 is incredible. I'm personally running at .5 per trackday. I should be good for my next track day though, because I just got my crash in at the last one. 
Admittedly, it's a fairly small sample size.
Admittedly, it's a fairly small sample size.
Z3n
Squid.
1.15 is incredible. I'm personally running at .5 per trackday. I should be good for my next track day though, because I just got my crash in at the last one.
Admittedly, it's a fairly small sample size.
Damn, am I the only one running at 0/15? Making me nervous here, folks.
I've had a few mechanicals though. (2 blown engines, one running out of gas. )
houze4ursoul
New member
Heres a question for you... and if its been asked im sorry. Ive serarched and have found similiar threads but none answering this question. When your getting ready to lean the bike, do you want your rear towards the back of the bike or towards the front. I ask because when im braking before a turn, my whole body slides forward into the gas tank. Im getting ready to buy a set of stomp grips if im supposed to keep my rear towards the back of the seat, so I can squeeze the tank to keep me further back.
Damn, am I the only one running at 0/15? Making me nervous here, folks.
0 for seven, but shooting for 0 for 9 after this weekend *knocks wood emphatically*
Kieth, I wanted to ask a "theory" question. The track that I am heading out to this weekend has roughly 30 turns. At my last event at that track, I rode B group. I noticed that at B group speeds, that fairly tight lines could be held. The majority of the other riders (whom I was passing regularly) were taking wide sweeping lines... like the type that would need to be used at high speeds. The track is primarily composed of tight technical stuff (reno fernley, config C. You can get an idea of track layout from the onboard link in my signature).
So, my question then is: Which would benefit me most in my quest to improve:
Taking unnecessarily wide lines in order to build the habit of using them if I carry more corner speed as I grow as a rider?
Or keeping my lines tidy, and only widening them as increases in speed dictate?
Bonus question: would You mind critiquing my riding based on my onboard? (Warning, it's long, and you may not enjoy the music)
Keith Code
New member
houze4ursoul,
You can set up a bike for your preferred feel going into corners. Some riders like to keep the front of the bike high, not have as much weight transfer forward, some like it the other way with a lot of weight forward.
This can be adjusted in a variety of ways on the bike. The most important part of what you are talking about is that you are in the same position each time you do brake.
If you are back, that's OK, provided the rest of the bike is adjusted to that. If you are forward, that's OK too, depending on how much feel you like in the front end of the bike.
You can discuss that part of it with your friendly local suspension guys like Dave Moss and Mike Pasicka.
The Stomp will help you become consistent with the weight bias you get with your body position from braking.
Keith
Keith Code
New member
Laz...,
The lines you were taking looked fine. You were using as much track as needed for that speed.
The fact that you were able to make a later apex on many of the corners is proof that you don't need to use more track at this speed/lap time.
Keith
Z3n
Squid.
Wow...we can get video critique from the man himself...this is just too awesome!
http://www.vimeo.com/1167961
For a little backround, I'm going racing next year, and this was a 3 lap sprint at the Keigwins intermediate school, in the A group. The wind was really gusty that day, so you'll see a few midcorner corrections in turn 2, and I was backing off in turn 8 a lot because I had problems figuring out how to get around people there. I backed off at around turn 10 on the last lap, because I realized that it wasn't worth stuffing the 1098 just to get repassed on the front straight, and let 2 other people blow by me as a result. Any comments of any sort are welcome
That was around my 13th trackday, my 4th at Thill. SV is stock engine, pipe, upgraded suspension. Thanks!
http://www.vimeo.com/1167961
For a little backround, I'm going racing next year, and this was a 3 lap sprint at the Keigwins intermediate school, in the A group. The wind was really gusty that day, so you'll see a few midcorner corrections in turn 2, and I was backing off in turn 8 a lot because I had problems figuring out how to get around people there. I backed off at around turn 10 on the last lap, because I realized that it wasn't worth stuffing the 1098 just to get repassed on the front straight, and let 2 other people blow by me as a result. Any comments of any sort are welcome
That was around my 13th trackday, my 4th at Thill. SV is stock engine, pipe, upgraded suspension. Thanks!
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I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring. It's interesting ya'll were talking earlier about the technique of picking up the bike while still hanging off, to get more contact patch down coming out of a turn--I already kind of came up with this on my own and use it a lot . However, I also use it a little differently on the street too. For instance when something unexpected happens mid-turn, like if I need to brake or go over a nasty looking bump/object I stand up the bike while keeping myself in the same place in space, so as to not widen my turn in the process. Does this have any place on the track? I have the feeling that the biggest challenge for me on a track day will be not getting distracted with other riders, and passing (hopefully ) and I wondered if this might be useful. Or maybe it's not! Thanks.
. However, I also use it a little differently on the street too. For instance when something unexpected happens mid-turn, like if I need to brake or go over a nasty looking bump/object I stand up the bike while keeping myself in the same place in space, so as to not widen my turn in the process. Does this have any place on the track? I have the feeling that the biggest challenge for me on a track day will be not getting distracted with other riders, and passing (hopefully ) and I wondered if this might be useful. Or maybe it's not! Thanks.
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