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Questions for Keith Code - Round Two
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NorCalBusa
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That's rather "hit and run" behavior Keith, I'm surprised. Put some meat on that bone and explain your comment please.
tzrider
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Spare the horseshit. Been cases where you haven't, too, the post Keith quoted in this thread being an example.
Gary, I repped a great post you made in another thread. But, with respect, you have a lot of verbage in a thread named QforKC, even answering a question aimed at Keith. I understand his irritation and didn't find his response that out of line.
I for one would really like to read the Gary J method in a different thread, and keep this thread for what it is, a place to get my green Koolaid.
I for one would really like to read the Gary J method in a different thread, and keep this thread for what it is, a place to get my green Koolaid.
Good feedback Lovedoc, and understood and noted for future postings (or lack thereof). Thanks.
The only reasons I'd responded to Lazerus' question, were:
1) Seeing that busy scheduling had resulted in it being a couple months since any responses had been able to be made (totally understandable, with the traveling, schools, etc), and figuring Lazerus may benefit some form of interim assistance on his question.
2) Seeing that the question was specific to improvements on a specific local track (Thunderhill Raceway), which is a track I have 12 years of personal experience riding/racing/instructing, and a track that CSS doesn't use as a venue, it seemed some value-add might exist in helping Lazerus.
Guess trying to help wasn't the right thing to do, in this particular area on the forum, despite it being done with the best intentions for trying to share some timely help to a fellow BARF'ers question. Oh well, recognized now, and lesson learned.
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Alexey
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Ural: GearUp
Vespa: LX150
Yamaha: TTR125
You know what would be fun? -- a thread with some common questions up for discussion to some of the resident experts. I fear it won't be easy to set up. On a software podcast I listen to, it was suggested by the listeners the hosts have a special episode, where they discuss things with hosts of a podcast focusing on a competing technology. Everyone was for it, but it never happened as the hosts backed out saying they didn't know enough about the other side and it wouldn't be productive, despite the whole point being to let these experts educate each other and exchange opinions/ideas. There doesn't have to be a consensus -- let the public come to their own conclusions. Keith, Gary, whoever else feels they can keep up: trail braking, suspension setup, body english, etc.: discuss!
bigt
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You know what I think would be fun? Have a thread called "Questions for Keith Code" where people could ask Keith Code questions, and get answers from Keith Code, and where all other bullshit posts would get deleted. (not directed at you Alexey)
Keith Code
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Yes, I felt the comments or advice or personal experience Gary J had to offer on using the side of the tire was too far out of line and too far afield of anything that was useful and others reading the thread might actually take it as something to try or think it was a valid technique and it was indeed on my thread. I made a public statement for those reasons.
What he said was true, I did PM him on it.
I'm always willing to go to the mats on riding tech if I know what I'm talking about and correct, non-confusing, riding tech is in my area.
We have been on a brutal schedule of touring and filming the "A Twist of the Wrist, Vol II" DVD set. We've got 10 days filming at the track starting tomorrow.
I'm pretty excited about the film, we've got some good stuff including an amazing HD "lipstick" cam that's about 2 1/2" square and other things we've had to invent to get the shots I want.
Once I have some pieces of it edited together I'll post them somewhere so BARFERS can take a peek--probably be editing it in July.
Otherwise, we've had a great Summer so far our schools at Pocono, VIR and Barber were great and we'll return to the East Coast in August for more.
We are adding the new track in southern New Jersey, Thunderbolt raceway and that will make the 92nd track we've run around the world.
We've also had a big crop of 10 and 11 year old students and they are a treat to train. Here is the website of one of them: http://www.peterlenz.com/
They ride RS125 chassis some with 125 motors and some have 22 horsepower 150cc Honda motors...Don't follow them into turns on your 600
Our British Superbike series student, Leon Camier, the guy who ran a 1:43 at Sears on the long track on a stock ZX6R with Dunlop street Qualifiers (posted somewhere else in this thread) just won his first BSB race today on his Airwaves Ducati.
We've been coaching him for 3 1/2 years now and today was a big payoff. yesterday when I spoke with him after qualifying we discussed the very turn that led to him winning the race by .095 seconds. Love that stuff.
One of our school coaches, Josh Galster, is currently top rookie of the year in AMA Supersport, so that's going well and Misti Hurst, another coach at the school, is consistently making the grids except at Sears where she got a qualifying tire that went off in two laps and missed making the cut. Her practice times were already good enough to make it but, that's racing.
Hope to be back soon.
Keith
Yes, I felt the comments or advice or personal experience Gary J had to offer on using the side of the tire was too far out of line and too far afield of anything that was useful and others reading the thread might actually take it as something to try or think it was a valid technique and it was indeed on my thread. I made a public statement for those reasons.
What he said was true, I did PM him on it.
I'm always willing to go to the mats on riding tech if I know what I'm talking about and correct, non-confusing, riding tech is in my area.
We have been on a brutal schedule of touring and filming the "A Twist of the Wrist, Vol II" DVD set. We've got 10 days filming at the track starting tomorrow.
I'm pretty excited about the film, we've got some good stuff including an amazing HD "lipstick" cam that's about 2 1/2" square and other things we've had to invent to get the shots I want.
Once I have some pieces of it edited together I'll post them somewhere so BARFERS can take a peek--probably be editing it in July.
Otherwise, we've had a great Summer so far our schools at Pocono, VIR and Barber were great and we'll return to the East Coast in August for more.
We are adding the new track in southern New Jersey, Thunderbolt raceway and that will make the 92nd track we've run around the world.
We've also had a big crop of 10 and 11 year old students and they are a treat to train. Here is the website of one of them: http://www.peterlenz.com/
They ride RS125 chassis some with 125 motors and some have 22 horsepower 150cc Honda motors...Don't follow them into turns on your 600
Our British Superbike series student, Leon Camier, the guy who ran a 1:43 at Sears on the long track on a stock ZX6R with Dunlop street Qualifiers (posted somewhere else in this thread) just won his first BSB race today on his Airwaves Ducati.
We've been coaching him for 3 1/2 years now and today was a big payoff. yesterday when I spoke with him after qualifying we discussed the very turn that led to him winning the race by .095 seconds. Love that stuff.
One of our school coaches, Josh Galster, is currently top rookie of the year in AMA Supersport, so that's going well and Misti Hurst, another coach at the school, is consistently making the grids except at Sears where she got a qualifying tire that went off in two laps and missed making the cut. Her practice times were already good enough to make it but, that's racing.
Hope to be back soon.
Keith
darkie
Dylan Code
Glad to see you back, Dylan and Keith. When you get the time, I'm interested in your thoughts on track topography, I've had a couple of mishaps on downhill right handers recently. Besides improving my clumsy throttle inputs, what other tools can be used to improve my results in this situation?
Keith Code
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downhill right handers
Yo Lovedoc,
Is this track or street you are talking about? If track, what turns at what track? If street, give me more of a description like: blind, decreasing radius, off camber, open, tight and some idea of the surface, the speeds and what part of the turn you had this mishap.
BTW, what do you mean "mishap", that covers a lot of territory...???
Keith
Yo Lovedoc,
Is this track or street you are talking about? If track, what turns at what track? If street, give me more of a description like: blind, decreasing radius, off camber, open, tight and some idea of the surface, the speeds and what part of the turn you had this mishap.
BTW, what do you mean "mishap", that covers a lot of territory...???
Keith
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Keith, Have you ever had a student take out an instructor? Any good stories from students?
Sorry for overly vague question. I've been getting faster on the track since my first trackday/Level 1 in October. I've had 2 crashes, both lowsides on downhill right handers: the first at Buttonwillow where the crest of the first hill is followed by turn 5, the second on turn 5a at T'hill, I think I got on the throttle well before I was straightened up for turn 6.
At Buttonwillow, I've wondered if the suspension was still unweighted from the preceeding crest when I tried to settle the bike for the turn.
At T'hill, the suspension is already heavily loaded on 5a since the grade is starting to level. I was surprised(duh) to loose the rear at that point.
A number of other factors were involved, only some of which I actually understand, but for some reason I keep perseverating on the suspension and not understanding how to get it to work for me.
BTW, my track f4i has a Penske rear, resprung forks and was professionally tuned, so it's definitely a "software" problem.
Hi Berto/threadjack, LOL
At Buttonwillow, I've wondered if the suspension was still unweighted from the preceeding crest when I tried to settle the bike for the turn.
At T'hill, the suspension is already heavily loaded on 5a since the grade is starting to level. I was surprised(duh) to loose the rear at that point.
A number of other factors were involved, only some of which I actually understand, but for some reason I keep perseverating on the suspension and not understanding how to get it to work for me.
BTW, my track f4i has a Penske rear, resprung forks and was professionally tuned, so it's definitely a "software" problem.
Hi Berto/threadjack, LOL
Keith Code
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students vs coaches
Yes, three times. As far as anyone can remember, it was just the coach and not the student as well.
To put that into perspective, we've run over 9 million track miles at 92 tracks around the world. It says a lot for either the general riding of our students or the mystical 6th sense our coaches seem to have.
Anyone who hangs around tracks knows that riders will fall, that goes for schools and track days as well as racing.
We are particularly proud of our course control and the fact that our students tend to remain on their bikes all day long.
Would anyone care to guess exactly what our per day average is for get-offs at CSS?
I'll give a set of Dunlop Qualifiers to the first person who comes within 5/10ths of the correct answer.
Keith
Yes, three times. As far as anyone can remember, it was just the coach and not the student as well.
To put that into perspective, we've run over 9 million track miles at 92 tracks around the world. It says a lot for either the general riding of our students or the mystical 6th sense our coaches seem to have.
Anyone who hangs around tracks knows that riders will fall, that goes for schools and track days as well as racing.
We are particularly proud of our course control and the fact that our students tend to remain on their bikes all day long.
Would anyone care to guess exactly what our per day average is for get-offs at CSS?
I'll give a set of Dunlop Qualifiers to the first person who comes within 5/10ths of the correct answer.
Keith
I'll guess 1.5