R6 vs R1: What's the difference in cornering?

[Spec-ECU]

id be shocked if an R1 with aftermarket race-worthy suspension didnt corner significantly better than a R6 with adjusted stock suspension.

Definitely, but pre-premium goodies on my R1 I had to ride accordingly and not like I did my R6. Post-premium goodies on the R1 now, and I can definitely go through corners quicker than I did on my R6.

 

[Spec-ECU]

So you're saying in order to corner on an R1 you have to ride like a noob?

Negative, cause noobs just point-and-shoot, period.

 

[Climber]

Why not just get the gixxer 750 and get the best of both worlds?

 

[Snaggy]

Just for cornering I much prefer a 600 though my daily ride is a literbike. I swapped the rear to a 180 though, because I like the slimmer profile better and I certainly don't need the 190 contact area for any conceivable purpose on a public road.

I bought the liter partly for the macho factor, which was silly in retrospect, and the deal was a lot better.

I think 600's handle better riding in town or in the canyons, but I prefer the literbike on the freeway.

Thirty K miles on the 1000 and I've never used more than half a throttle twist, including a couple track days on the beast.

If you have to have a sportbike consider a GSXR 750, a reasonable compromise. I did wring that bike out on the track some and it's also got plenty of power for traffic.

 

[Corb]

Just for cornering I much prefer a 600 though my daily ride is a literbike. I swapped the rear to a 180 though, because I like the slimmer profile better

Yes, even though the 180's are made for 5.5 inch rims and liter bikes have 6.0 rims the 180 rear tire made my R1 handle the tight roads I prefer to ride much more to my taste.[more flickable]
And I did try even 195/70/17 with the correct chassis adjustments and still much preferred the 180/55-17's.

 

[Abyss]

Why not just get the gixxer 750 and get the best of both worlds?

I did lol. It's a great bike, I just think street riding kinda sucks. If I was going to get another bike it'd be an RC390 in the hopes it'd become more fun.

 

[FourT2Infinity]

I have the most "fun" in the canyons on my little 50hp-Guzzi...

 

[Corb]

I did lol. It's a great bike, I just think street riding kinda sucks. If I was going to get another bike it'd be an RC390 in the hopes it'd become more fun.

Pfff, Lower the gearing on that 750, install a handlebar conversion and you have an awesome Santa Cruz mountains toy and a great reliable commuter

re-re-re post, but I love this video!
[youtube]nzvOPCNgFUA[/youtube]

 

[jdhu]

Just for cornering I much prefer a 600 though my daily ride is a literbike. I swapped the rear to a 180 though, because I like the slimmer profile better and I certainly don't need the 190 contact area for any conceivable purpose on a public road.

My experience as well. I went from an R6 to a gsxr 1000, so not an R1, but I really miss the R6's cornering. Then again, I had my suspension set at the track for the R6, but haven't messed with the gsxr.

 

[Abyss]

Pfff, Lower the gearing on that 750, install a handlebar conversion and you have an awesome Santa Cruz mountains toy and a great reliable commuter

re-re-re post, but I love this video!
[youtube]nzvOPCNgFUA[/youtube]

I really do not like handlebars and re-gearing would make the bike ride worse, especially considering the shitty stock fuel maps.

 

[Corb]

I really do not like handlebars and re-gearing would make the bike ride worse, especially considering the shitty stock fuel maps.

You don't like handlebars? So motorcycling to you is reduced to bikes with clip-ons? Damn! I guess you have the same approach to motorcycles as you have to your music.
To bad.

 

[Abyss]

You don't like handlebars? So motorcycling to you is reduced to bikes with clip-ons? Damn! I guess you have the same approach to motorcycles as you have to your music.
To bad.

I just don't like 'em. For some reason I always end up having a death grip and they hurt my hands. That, and it makes cornering feel really weird.

On a dirt bike though, obviously handlebars.

 

[Corb]

I just don't like 'em. For some reason I always end up having a death grip and they hurt my hands. That, and it makes cornering feel really weird.

On a dirt bike though, obviously handlebars.

Yea, but the idea is that is something new you need to learn and adjust too. Not dismiss all bikes with handlebars as not for you.
The first year or so when I started riding dirt I would get arm pump so bad my hands would lock themselves in a fist and my forearms hurt like hell.
Now, for a long time, I ride dirt as relaxed as I ride street.
Anyone can tell you for street riding, especially tight twiesties, handlebars make much more sense. Not to mention every day commuting.
Anyway, do your thing, but I think you should be a bit more open minded about such things.

 

[Hooli]

After trying to hustle the 1000 around Thunderhill last month, and getting to joyride my friend's 2010 R6, I'm srsly considering a 750 for my next trackbike.

 

[GAJ]

Yes, even though the 180's are made for 5.5 inch rims and liter bikes have 6.0 rims the 180 rear tire made my R1 handle the tight roads I prefer to ride much more to my taste.[more flickable]
And I did try even 195/70/17 with the correct chassis adjustments and still much preferred the 180/55-17's.

The 180/55 made a huge difference on my TLS which came with the horrible 190/50.

 

[FXCLM5]

inertia

600 easy to lean over throw into a turn, control

1000 are kinda, i steer you there - then continue to make adjustments to make it go where i want to go

ride them both low speeds around a gas station, you will know wtf im talking about

 

[treadtread]

You don't like handlebars? So motorcycling to you is reduced to bikes with clip-ons? Damn! I guess you have the same approach to motorcycles as you have to your music.
To bad.

I feel quite duh. - but what are clipons and how do you ride without handlebars? I googled, and I got this:

How does this change the ride as compared to a handlebar? A low handlebar would be ergonomically similar, right?

 

[Corb]

I feel quite duh. - but what are clipons and how do you ride without handlebars? I googled, and I got this:

How does this change the ride as compared to a handlebar? A low handlebar would be ergonomically similar, right?

clip-ons are individual bars that clip-on each fork leg. Like in your picture.
Handlebars is a one pice that mounts on the triple clamp

Here is a GSX-R 1000 with handlebar conversion.

edit. Benefits of handlebars
More upright riding position
Better leverage
Better control at low speed
Better turning radius

Downside
less front end feel compared to clip-ons
The reason why, clip-ons make sense on track/race bikes.

 

[NSR500]

inertia

600 easy to lean over throw into a turn, control

1000 are kinda, i steer you there - then continue to make adjustments to make it go where i want to go

ride them both low speeds around a gas station, you will know wtf im talking about

QFT

 

[Hooli]

inertia

600 easy to lean over throw into a turn, control

1000 are kinda, i steer you there - then continue to make adjustments to make it go where i want to go

ride them both low speeds around a gas station, you will know wtf im talking about

Close. It's more due to the heavier crankshaft (and other associated parts) of a 1000.