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R6 vs R1: What's the difference in cornering?

The best part of riding a 600 is that you can use 100% of the power and not get yourself into a bad situation.

My gas mileage on my 600 is much worse than it was on my R1. :laughing
 
Climber said:
The best part of riding a 600 is that you can use 100% of the power and not get yourself into a bad situation.
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Actually, with modern 600's pushing a bit over 100rwhp, you pretty much still can.

Just takes a bit more effort to do so. :laughing
 
Hooli said:
Actually, with modern 600's pushing a bit over 100rwhp, you pretty much still can.

Just takes a bit more effort to do so. :laughing
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I got into a few hairy situations on my old 1997 F3. Probs was just cos of noobishness tho.
 
More options on a liter bike in terms of cornering if something unexpected happens. The main lifesaver being your ability to tighten your line while leaned over with engine braking through throttle control.
 
kangaroo said:
More options on a liter bike in terms of cornering if something unexpected happens. The main lifesaver being your ability to tighten your line while leaned over with engine braking through throttle control.
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I disagree completely.

Every bike has engine braking, and every bike slows down if you roll off. The brakes are what can tighten your line as well, and it's always easier to tighten up a smaller bike. The idea that you can't brake while leaned over is false Using a tiny bit of brake increases your front traction, not decreases it.
 
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The question in which is better in cornering is very broad. One can have a set of slicks on and the other sport touring tires, which do you think will corner better?

That being said, I've taken my street 2012 R1 around Sonoma and let me tell you it was a handful! For me it was the power and weight of the bike that I had to get use to. My purpose built track/race 07 R6 on the other hand is a blast around Sonoma, of course I have countless track miles on this machine so it comes more natural.
 
Do you think the OP was asking about street or track riding?

Those who commented based on track experience - would you give the same answer for spirited street/canyon riding?

Does a good track bike make a good street bike, and vice versa?
 
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afm199 said:
I disagree completely.

Every bike has engine braking, and every bike slows down if you roll off. The brakes are what can tighten your line as well, and it's always easier to tighten up a smaller bike. The idea that you can't brake while leaned over is false Using a tiny bit of brake increases your front traction, not decreases it.
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I'll clarify my statement by saying rolling off the throttle produces more engine braking on a bigger bike. Also on the roads and canyons, the engine isn't revving as high to obtain the same amount of torque like a 600.
 
Gary856 said:
Do you think the OP was asking about street or track riding?

Those who commented based on track experience - would you give the same answer for spirited street/canyon riding?

Does a good track bike make a good street bike, and vice versa?
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Most people will have a faster laptime on a 600 because you can carry momentum through a turn a lot easier. You don't need to worry about things on a track that you do on in a canyon.
 
kangaroo said:
Most people will have a faster laptime on a 600 because you can carry momentum through a turn a lot easier. You don't need to worry about things on a track that you do on in a canyon.
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The couple of track day guys that I know that started on 1000s and then moved to 600s struggle w the smaller bikes because they are more busy esp w shifting and punish mistakes like low corner speed. All but one of them went back to 1000s to enjoy their track days.
 
stangmx13 said:
The couple of track day guys that I know that started on 1000s and then moved to 600s struggle w the smaller bikes because they are more busy esp w shifting and punish mistakes like low corner speed. All but one of them went back to 1000s to enjoy their track days.
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I've known just the opposite.

And while we're at it, last track day at Thunderhill a good friend let me take her R6 (bone stock) out for a session. Within two laps I was already becoming acclimated to it and I was going just as fast as I was on my G1K. The only reason I didn't push harder was because it wasn't my bike. :ride
 
stangmx13 said:
The couple of track day guys that I know that started on 1000s and then moved to 600s struggle w the smaller bikes because they are more busy esp w shifting and punish mistakes like low corner speed. All but one of them went back to 1000s to enjoy their track days.
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That's actually my excuse for not riding the 600. lol I'm lazy and there's just too much shifting to keep the torque flowing.
 
Hooli said:
I just think you have to ride them in anger. :p
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one should never ride in anger, this kid has it figured out :laughing: I'd love to get on the AFM starting grid amped up like this waiting for them to throw the green flag

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I certainly enjoy riding liter bikes, they've gotten so light and rideworthy that the 600 just seems like too much work now. The new Yamaha R1 is an awesome ride, as is the 2009 on CBR1000RR.
 
Hooli said:
I've known just the opposite.

And while we're at it, last track day at Thunderhill a good friend let me take her R6 (bone stock) out for a session. Within two laps I was already becoming acclimated to it and I was going just as fast as I was on my G1K. The only reason I didn't push harder was because it wasn't my bike. :ride
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so u sold your 1000 and bought an R6? :laughing

did riding the R6 reveal some deficiencies in your riding on the G1K? or were u at Buttonwillow where the smaller bike is almost an advantage?
 
afm199 said:
I certainly enjoy riding liter bikes, they've gotten so light and rideworthy that the 600 just seems like too much work now. The new Yamaha R1 is an awesome ride, as is the 2009 on CBR1000RR.
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Did you ever ride 900rr when it first came out?
 
I owned an 09 R6 (S model) & 08 R1 around the same time. If memory serves me correctly, my first impression after trading in the 6 was thinking damn this R1's more nimble than I'd expect for a liter bike... got similar turn in as the baby yammie with better stability. In fact, surprisingly, my first "bad impressions" of the R1 compared to the R6 were not related to the handling at all ... it was the heat from the under tail pipes, some minor starting issue (user error) and that power didn't seem all that much stronger than the R6 (of course this was during the break in period & I had no idea what the beast had at the top end). Once I got used to the heat / done breaking the bike in... my god- the absolute greatest all round superbike for the street EVER... best handling, comfortable, most gorgeous stunner of a motorcycle... & that top end power... wowza.. after 11K RPM, it's a warp speed rocket ship... hold on no matter what gear (& yes you will hit 100 in first)... still love that rush 50K miles later... to this day the only other thing I've ridden that compares/beats the R1s top end is the S1000RR.

Yea but to answer your question... for an experienced rider (with larger than average dimensions), without a doubt, the R1s handling is actually preferred to the R6.
 
:laughing I am guilty of that as well. I don't know if it's the 16" front or the big engine. I had an 04 600rr and that tankslapped the hell out of me, though I didn't crash. Both tankslappers happened on wide open acceleration. Maybe I don't get along with Honda? Never had any bucking moments on any of my R1s and they have way more power.
 
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