S1000RR... being ridden by press in Portugal

[louemc]

Akro's dyno results show near identical results.

That just goes to show you how devious MCN is, they throw in good info every so often, to keep sucking people in to their web of tabloidism.

 

[1RUN]

The S1000RR in a video game... SBK-09.

I suppose the game will limit you to no better than 10th or so on that bike, right?

 

[iehawk]

I suppose the game will limit you to no better than 10th or so on that bike, right?

 

[Keith Code]

S1000RR Training Bikes

I'm not to be trusted since BMW is our new bike sponsor and we'll have a truck load of the new S1Ks for our coaches and students. Keep that in mind. I've only ridden the bike at The Streets of Willow which may be the shortest track in the country with the most turns, 1.7 mi X 14 bends.

To say the bike is deceptively quick is an understatement. The main reason being the utter smoothness of the power delivery. I read one of the posts from Portomao about riding it in 6th only...confirmed, it feels that torqey. Same with the comments about it feeling similar to an R6 between your legs. I had a little bit of comparative data on 1000s at Streets. When Motorcyclist had the new ones there, the 1198, R1 and GSXR recently I got to ride them. My impression of the bike's behavior was a similar feeling to what I think is the best handling 600, the new CBR.

My pre-production S1K didn't have any of the electronics, it was the raw bike and still it didn't intimidate me. There was a slightly too aggressive coming on the throttle surge which, apparently, doesn't exist on the DTC version in the other 3 settings.

I'm not sure it was mentioned already, didn't read every word of all that has been posted but: the bike started out with 213 hp and has been tuned down twice to it's current 193. I'm not sure if that means parts or electronics but I'd like to find out. If it was only the chip, that would be the cheapest horsepower in the history of sport bikes. Ultra cool for track day guys to have a bike with 600 feel and dial-your-choice power characteristics you can set on the fly. I guess I'm pumped to have them.

Keith

 

[Mike95060]

I'm not to be trusted since BMW is our new bike sponsor and we'll have a truck load of the new S1Ks for our coaches and students. Keep that in mind. I've only ridden the bike at The Streets of Willow which may be the shortest track in the country with the most turns, 1.7 mi X 14 bends.

To say the bike is deceptively quick is an understatement. The main reason being the utter smoothness of the power delivery. I read one of the posts from Portomao about riding it in 6th only...confirmed, it feels that torqey. Same with the comments about it feeling similar to an R6 between your legs. I had a little bit of comparative data on 1000s at Streets. When Motorcyclist had the new ones there, the 1198, R1 and GSXR recently I got to ride them. My impression of the bike's behavior was a similar feeling to what I think is the best handling 600, the new CBR.

My pre-production S1K didn't have any of the electronics, it was the raw bike and still it didn't intimidate me. There was a slightly too aggressive coming on the throttle surge which, apparently, doesn't exist on the DTC version in the other 3 settings.

I'm not sure it was mentioned already, didn't read every word of all that has been posted but: the bike started out with 213 hp and has been tuned down twice to it's current 193. I'm not sure if that means parts or electronics but I'd like to find out. If it was only the chip, that would be the cheapest horsepower in the history of sport bikes. Ultra cool for track day guys to have a bike with 600 feel and dial-your-choice power characteristics you can set on the fly. I guess I'm pumped to have them.

Keith

WOW. I'm a bit shocked BMW ponied up to be your sponsor. I'm glad they are making a real effort to be a player in the Sport Bike market.

Was Kawasaki too broke to keep you?

 

[iehawk]

Thank you, Keith. That was a revelation, that the bike has been tuned down twice from 213hp to now 193hp claimed number.

Video: Ismael Bonilla rode S1000RR in Portimao - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWDmsgjhozw

 

[donoman]

Dang, and I was so happy to be unemployed until I read this.

 

[Karbon]

new sportbike to want..FFFFUUUUUUUUU

 

[Keith Code]

WOW. I'm a bit shocked BMW ponied up to be your sponsor. I'm glad they are making a real effort to be a player in the Sport Bike market.

Was Kawasaki too broke to keep you?

It's a tough industry right now, most manufacturers are off by at least 40% so you can't blame anyone for what's going on, we had a 30 year run with Kawasaki and I have nothing but good feelings for all of it.

Keith

 

[iehawk]

I know... it's MCN again... but again, I'm just keeping the news I found in one place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EBo2Zl3Y6w&feature=player_embedded

 

[sfoster]

I had a S1000RR on order, so as soon as I found out that Keith Code switched to the BMW, I signed up for the 2 day camp in New Jersey, May 12 & 13.

The bike is due to be delivered in March, so I should be able to get in at least 4-6 track days before that camp. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[iehawk]

Long way from home, Sfoster. I got one on the way myself... if all goes well that is.

 

[Busy Little Shop]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/65/5106/Motorcycle-Article/2010-BMW-S1000RR-First-Ride.aspx

A forged, single-piece and heat-treated steel crankshaft is mated to “anti-friction” bearings and features traditional 180-degree angles for a consistent firing order.

The traditional 180º crank with that old 180º consistent firing order are dead
and buried as far as MotoGp in concerned... its possible that the irregular
firing orders are the future for all I4s in WSBK... Advantge 2009 R1...

Despite the large 80mm bore the p...kr.com/2077/1589869246_b33d07bd76_o.jpg[/IMG]

 

[iehawk]

So... how wide the Aprilia's V4 engine at the crankshaft again?

If the S1000RR is at 18.23 inches wide vs. the RSV4's at 'shortest'... yea, I can see how the RSV4 won there.

 

[Busy Little Shop]

So... how wide the Aprilia's V4 engine at the crankshaft again?

If the S1000RR is at 18.23 inches wide vs. the RSV4's at 'shortest'... yea, I can see how the RSV4 won there.

Quote Claudio Lombardi who is the main architect of the new Aprilia V4...

"Lombardi also explained that the Aprilia 1000cc V4 is of 8.86 inches in width,
while an in-line four is 15.74 inches wide."

 

[vics]

I've gotta jump in here and say (since it's all about me, me, me!) that this is a major problem for me: just about every bike I've even been on is designed for someone 5'8". I'm 6'3".

My GS fits me just fine. And a short run on the KTM Super Enduro indicated a good fit. But sportbikes? They all look and feel like 3/4 scale toys. And I look like a grasshopper on 'em.

What do taller guys who ride track do to adjust ergos?

I hear that guys 6'3" and up might have an issue with this bike

 

[louemc]

So... how wide the Aprilia's V4 engine at the crankshaft again?

If the S1000RR is at 18.23 inches wide vs. the RSV4's at 'shortest'... yea, I can see how the RSV4 won there.

Doesn't make one crank layout "win" though. When someone Micro manages design features, they are exposinging flaws in their understanding of the bigger picture.

If V-4's were the issue, all the engine builders would be designing V-4's (they do know what to do). The Inline four allows other weights to be compressed into the centers where the designers want to compress the weight into. And shorten distances, to allow longer swing arms and shorter wheel bases.

It's the whole freakin package that gets evaluated, by how it works, and the BMW is amazing everyone. So...stick to your guns iehawk, This BMW could very well be a revolution in what the public can get their hands on.

 

[iehawk]

Quote Claudio Lombardi who is the main architect of the new Aprilia V4...

"Lombardi also explained that the Aprilia 1000cc V4 is of 8.86 inches in width,
while an in-line four is 15.74 inches wide."

Perfect! That's what I wanted to see. I already knew the V4 would be narrower at the crankshaft (being a different type of engine and all), but you can't compare a number with the word 'shortest' (I would seriously question your engineering degree if you do things like that). Plus, maybe we should compare the V4 against, let's say the VFR's engines and other V4s.

Cause in this case we can keep going, for example, what about the engine's length? Since the I4 is inline transversely, it won't be as long as the V4. Also, what about the valve mechanism? Now instead of a line of valve rods shared, you need to have two, plus two mechanism along... the added complexity and so on. Why MotoGP and WSBK can do it? Because they have the budget. The average sportsbike riders don't.

Bottom line is, this is pointless. It sounds like you're preaching and trying to convert people, which I could care less, but why not start your own thread and talk about RSV4 there?

I understand you own a Honda RC45. One question, are you ordering one RSV4 for yourself? arty

I know the RSV4 is a good bike, but that's so beside the point. I started this one to keep all the news articles and videos about the S1000RR in one thread.

 

[iehawk]

Doesn't make one crank layout "win" though. When someone Micro manages design features, they are exposinging flaws in their understanding of the bigger picture.

If V-4's were the issue, all the engine builders would be designing V-4's (they do know what to do). The Inline four allows other weights to be compressed into the centers where the designers want to compress the weight into. And shorten distances, to allow longer swing arms and shorter wheel bases.

It's the whole freakin package that gets evaluated, by how it works, and the BMW is amazing everyone. So...stick to your guns iehawk, This BMW could very well be a revolution in what the public can get their hands on.

Thanks, Lou. I totally agree with you that there's more to it than the engine's configuration.

Yea, my point is exactly. BMW laid out everything about the BMW S1000RR, nothing to hide there. The engine internal specs can be read since way back even before the street bikes could be seen. I've had the 43-page press release material for a few months already, which anyone can find in different forums already.

BMW's inline-4 is as narrow as the 600cc inline-4 a couple years back. It can be seen by their use of R6's fairings on the prototype bikes before. But, you got it, so what?

The most important thing is all that have ridden it agree that it's such a narrow and compact bike, yet still comfortable.

A company can make the bike smaller, but then that would alienate the 6 footer and up. Can't really win by working on size like that.

Too bad the MCN's comparo didn't include the RSV4. But... I'm sure some will in the future. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Busy Little Shop]

Cause in this case we can keep going, for example, what about the engine's
length? Since the I4 is inline transversely, it won't be as long as the V4.
Also, what about the valve mechanism?

We could keep going but I think the real question prospective buyers want
know is it possible for a V4 to match the forward weight bias of a I4... what I
gather with my own measurements is yes... the only engine architecture that
posses a problem in forward weight bias is the long and ponderous V2... but
that fact and the fact a V2 sports a more complex valve mechanism doesn't
seem to stop the sales of Ducati's...

Bottom line is, this is pointless. It sounds like you're preaching and trying to convert people, which I could care less, but why not start your own thread and talk about RSV4 there?

I don't think comparisons are pointless... not when you see Barf as a wealth
of free information... I think buyers want to learn all they can... after all they
are face with more choices than ever before on the dealers floor... mercy we
got I4s V4s V2s and even "virtual V4s"...

I'm not being paid a dime to promote Aprilia... and it's not the V4 I would design...

I understand you own a Honda RC45. One question, are you ordering one RSV4 for yourself? arty

True... I've own an RC45 since 98... but to answer your question...No... I
have 0.0 desire for an RSV4... if I wanted to up the pace of my 750 I'd just
bolt on HRC kit parts... but to be honest at stock power Honda's exotic
homologated racer feels completely out of place on the perverted highway...
it has a way to subvert your sensibilities to the point where you become a
quick draw artist extracting your license out of your thick with appearance
notices wallet...

My friend Stephen and his HRC kitted RC45 that Performance Bike got a hold of... silly no???