Samsung guilty of copying Apple

[gnahc79]

You know how Microsoft got so big back then? By stealing from Apple!

and Apple copied from Xerox PARC and AT&T. Xerox sued Apple and lost.

G. Gervaise Davis 3d, a copyright lawyer in Monterey, Calif., said the decision in the case ''is not a bit surprising.'' He said Xerox had waited too long to file a copyright infringement case and had to resort to a weaker charge of unfair competition. ''I think it's unfortunate,'' he added, ''because Apple is running around persecuting Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard over things that they borrowed from Xerox.''

 

[Entoptic]

So let me get this right. Apple owns the rights to many patients and basically brought the touch tech to the main stream. Other companies follow by copying the design/features and people are bitching about Apple trying to protect their patients? Yes is kinda shady but not illegal yet I don't see anyone getting upset that other companies straight out steal patient tech and you all turn a blind eye because they aren't Apple. If you take out Apple and Samsung you will see it a lot better and from a different light.

 

[gnahc79]

So let me get this right. Apple owns the rights to many patients and basically brought the touch tech to the main stream. Other companies follow by copying the design/features and people are bitching about Apple trying to protect their patients? Yes is kinda shady but not illegal yet I don't see anyone getting upset that other companies straight out steal patient tech and you all turn a blind eye because they aren't Apple. If you take out Apple and Samsung you will see it a lot better and from a different light.

No. The point is Apple should have never been granted many of these patents. Lots of prior art. The design patents all together...I can see merit for that.
I have a software patent and legal is required to do thorough research into prior art. I'm still puzzled how Apple got many of these patents, pinch to zoom to be specific. It looks like their legal team found a way to skirt by to get approval.

 

[CoolBDPhenom03]

Unfortunately, the owner of the patent isn't necessarily the person who invented it...it's the person with the best lawyers.

 

[Entoptic]

No. The point is Apple should have never been granted many of these patents. Lots of prior art. The design patents all together...I can see merit for that.
I have a software patent and legal is required to do thorough research into prior art. I'm still puzzled how Apple got many of these patents, pinch to zoom to be specific. It looks like their legal team found a way to skirt by to get approval.

I really hate typing responses on barf from my ipad. It made all my patents into patients but whatever.

Apple was granted the patents and won because of it. I see nothing wrong here with a company protecting their patents. If they got those patents in an illegal manner then someone should take them to court but the most of the posts here are about how evil Apple is for going after another company for patent protection.

 

[Marlowe]

The problem is they're being granted things that are either obvious or for which there is tons of prior art...

And not just Apple, but everyone.

USPTO fell asleep at the switch years ago. The whole point of patent examiners is to catch this shit, and deny the application, but they NEVER do...now they grant everything, and may the company with the best lawyers win.

 

[LongGoneJohn]

^^^ That is probably true.

However, in this case, everyone knows the rules. Which, may be stupid because of the lack of accountability by the USPTO, but it's still the game they play. Apple and Samsung and every other company know the rules, know how they need to play, and in this event Samsung tried to get around it and got caught.

From a non-technical purely layman point of view -- when you look at the Samsung Galaxy (just in the promotional pic side by side with an iphone), it is rather ... uh ... similar. lol.

 

[Blankpage]

Are the auto manufacturers going to start suing each other over who owns the right to a round steering wheel?

I hope Apple didn't read your post and I beat them to the patent office tomorrow. You suppose anyone holds a patent on tires being round also?

 

[Zerox]

and Apple copied from Xerox PARC and AT&T.

That old wives tale rears its head again? It's ok, that's a common mistake, one created by Windoze kids during the Apple vs Microsoft trial after Microsoft stole from Apple in the '80s. Strange how these fabricated stories take on a life of their own over the years.

Apple paid for access to the GUI designed by the *genius* peeps at Xerox PARC. The kids at PARC had created something way cool but since they were not in the business of making or selling computers, it just sorta sat there for years because they simply didn't know what to do with it. Yet some guy named Jobs who paid to visit PARC did...

In 1979, Apple swaps access to Xerox PARC for $1 million of pre-IPO Apple stock....which blew up to a cool $17.6 million when Apple went public in 1980. Xerox gets PAID rather nicely, Apple gets the GUI. Oh you didn't know about the $17.6 million? Well now you do.

Myth debunk moar: The mouse idea was from the 1960's, not Xerox PARC.
<insertWonkaMemeTellmeagainhowApplestolethemousefromXerox>

The Xerox GUI was clunky and since it was designed by geniuses for geniuses it was not meant for normal people, hence the Mac GUI as a consumer product looked a lot different. Yet when Microsoft "designed" a GUI it was a blatant carbon copy of the Mac GUI. Microsoft built their entire juggernaut empire on that carbon copy too, and by the time Apple tried to fight back it was too late, about the only victory from that battle was Apple forced Microsoft to rename the Trash Can as Recycle Bin. If the FUUUUUU meme had existed back then, Apple woulda used it, wahaha. And then the copycat Windows 95 (which looked exactly like Macintosh 87) nearly put Apple out of business.

Looks like Apple learned a very painful lesson from Microsoft's thievery back then, so this time around they put the beatdown on a copycat thief like Samsung much earlier in the game. Samesung, you have no shame.

Stop copying Apple, assholes! This time, Apple won't let you steal their shit without a fight.

 

[mikev]

I expect this will get overturned. Jury didn't even bother looking at prior art, and admitted as much.

 

[Eldritch]

I hope Apple didn't read your post and I beat them to the patent office tomorrow. You suppose anyone holds a patent on tires being round also?

Apple legal staff on that right now.

 

[wazzuFreddo]

Tackling the threat of substitute products through lawers on something as easily duplicated as subtle design cues is a little weak sauce.

iOS has looked the same for the last 5 years, time for an update if apple wants to jump back out in front IMO.

 

[aszrael1266]

 

[gnahc79]

That old wives tale rears its head again? It's ok, that's a common mistake, one created by Windoze kids during the Apple vs Microsoft trial after Microsoft stole from Apple in the '80s. Strange how these fabricated stories take on a life of their own over the years.

Apple paid for access to the GUI designed by the *genius* peeps at Xerox PARC. The kids at PARC had created something way cool but since they were not in the business of making or selling computers, it just sorta sat there for years because they simply didn't know what to do with it. Yet some guy named Jobs who paid to visit PARC did...

In 1979, Apple swaps access to Xerox PARC for $1 million of pre-IPO Apple stock....which blew up to a cool $17.6 million when Apple went public in 1980. Xerox gets PAID rather nicely, Apple gets the GUI. Oh you didn't know about the $17.6 million? Well now you do.

Myth debunk moar: The mouse idea was from the 1960's, not Xerox PARC.
<insertWonkaMemeTellmeagainhowApplestolethemousefromXerox>

The Xerox GUI was clunky and since it was designed by geniuses for geniuses it was not meant for normal people, hence the Mac GUI as a consumer product looked a lot different. Yet when Microsoft "designed" a GUI it was a blatant carbon copy of the Mac GUI. Microsoft built their entire juggernaut empire on that carbon copy too, and by the time Apple tried to fight back it was too late, about the only victory from that battle was Apple forced Microsoft to rename the Trash Can as Recycle Bin. If the FUUUUUU meme had existed back then, Apple woulda used it, wahaha. And then the copycat Windows 95 (which looked exactly like Macintosh 87) nearly put Apple out of business.

Looks like Apple learned a very painful lesson from Microsoft's thievery back then, so this time around they put the beatdown on a copycat thief like Samsung much earlier in the game. Samesung, you have no shame.

Stop copying Apple, assholes! This time, Apple won't let you steal their shit without a fight.

Apple can do no wrong, got it.

 

[LikeWaah]

That Nokia breaking diamonds meme is hilarious.

I don't think Apple should be able to be so vague in their patent descriptions. 4 buttons on a silver background? Really now? To me, that's sort of lame.

However, I do agree that Samsung was blatantly trying to replicate the iphone look. Korean companies have indeed been taking their design cues (fairly obviously I might add) from their American and European counterparts for a while now, but no one really cared since they didn't have much market share and weren't seen as serious competitors. Koreans didn't really care because they got to buy a lookalike for cheaper.

But now Samsung is big enough (Hyundai and Kia too, which incidentally, are the same company) where they need to start coming up with their own fresh designs.

Apple is definitely abusing the patent system to an extent, but Samsung also went too far in trying to capture the same look.

 

[Zerox]

Apple can do no wrong, got it.

Nobody's perfect....in 1998 I replied to a story in MacWeek magazine to bitch about Apple using the weak-ass Rage II graphics chip in the first-generation iMac (which was not a good chip for gaming but hey it was low cost), and my letter got printed.

So I'm on record as a published Apple critic.

 

[Blankpage]

Samsung down 7% today. Might be an overreaction. Back up the truck?

 

[Cycle61]

Rick, this thread makes me want to laugh, buy you a beer, hug you, kick you in the nuts, and let the air out of your tires all at the same time.

 

[SirSkankin DBA]

Hey, Just remember that when Apple makes a phone that works as a phone and can truly multitask, then everyone in the cell game can sue them

 

[Zerox]

Rick, this thread makes me want to laugh, buy you a beer, hug you, kick you in the nuts, and let the air out of your tires all at the same time.

We people and our firstworldproblem electronic toys....WTF.