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SFO plane crash (7/6/13)

wazzuFreddo said:
That's nice, but I thought the 777 uses GE engines :laughing
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:|

:rolleyes

http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-san-francisco-plane-pratt-0707-20130706,0,5657768.story

Pratt & Whitney has sent a team of employees to San Francisco to help in the investigation of the crash of an Asiana Airlines jetliner powered by the company's engines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/asiana-airlines-flight-214-abort-landing_n_3558625.html


The plane's Pratt & Whitney engines were on idle, Hersman said. The normal procedure in the Boeing 777, a wide-body jet, would be to use the autopilot and the throttle to provide power to the engine all the way through to landing, Coffman said.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214

The aircraft used on Flight 214 was a Boeing 777-200ER, registration number HL7742, powered by Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines, originally delivered to Asiana Airlines in March 2006.

Try reading sometime.
 
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Blankpage said:
That would be totally disgusting and idiotic.
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True, but I can see that happen if she was among all the crap that was scattered around and fire engine had to get close to the plane
 
ALANRIDER7 said:
:|

:rolleyes

http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-san-francisco-plane-pratt-0707-20130706,0,5657768.story

Pratt & Whitney has sent a team of employees to San Francisco to help in the investigation of the crash of an Asiana Airlines jetliner powered by the company's engines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/asiana-airlines-flight-214-abort-landing_n_3558625.html


The plane's Pratt & Whitney engines were on idle, Hersman said. The normal procedure in the Boeing 777, a wide-body jet, would be to use the autopilot and the throttle to provide power to the engine all the way through to landing, Coffman said.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214

The aircraft used on Flight 214 was a Boeing 777-200ER, registration number HL7742, powered by Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines, originally delivered to Asiana Airlines in March 2006.

Try reading sometime.
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Air Rage! :laughing
 
RRR70 said:
True, but I can see that happen if she was among all the crap that was scattered around and fire engine had to get close to the plane
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Seriously, so there's a plane on fire and you have to get you rig near enough to it to deploy the fuse-piercing nozzle to protect the firefighters that are actually leading lines into the plane and helping the injured out... But there's a debris field between you and it... What do you do? Do you drive in over whatever is out there and help save a bunch of people or do you sit back and hope whatever fuel is left in those wings doesn't light up?

Yeah, that's the decision you're gonna make, and that's the decision you're going to have to live with once you've made it.
 
RRR70 said:
True, but I can see that happen if she was among all the crap that was scattered around and fire engine had to get close to the plane
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Yeah it was an accident but the debris field seems to be behind the plane. I would think they could access the plane without having to drive through it or have a spotter jump out guide them in for the sake of the 10 sec it would take. they approached from the opposite side of the debris.
A plane with a big hole in it and debris on the ground, not a big stretch to imagine the possibility of passengers on the ground. Either flung out or walked out.
I'd have a hard time with knowing I did that.
 
Its looking like pilot error all the way. or am I being Capt obvious?

The passengers should all thank their lucky stars they crashed in a Boeing.
Considering the circumstances, the aircraft held together pretty good. Had that been an airbus, (any model) Im afraid there would be mass casualties.
 
Zerox said:
The pilot only had 43 hours of experience in the Boeing 777? That seems impossibly idiotic. Yet apparently true. :(
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I am sure the guy sitting next to him had a lot more time than that. The pilot probably had thousands of hours of experience, just not in a 777. We all have to start somewhere. All the high time pilots in a given airframe started flying it with 0 hours. If you don't let anyone with low time fly, you will run out of pilots.

Edit: accordig to the article he had nearly 10K hours total experience which is a lot.
 
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I dunno, may want to blame whoever put a guy with 43 hours in this plane at the helm, somewhat responsible, too..

It used to take 40 hours to get a small plane, private license, 10 of which used to have to be twin engine time. Most stories ive heard to fly a commercial rig with passengers is upwards of 10,000+. Your first 1000-5000 is on puddle jumpers and cargo planes, ups, fedex, etc.

I just cant believe how negligent the company was. Shocked.
 
teg916 said:
I am sure the guy sitting next to him had a lot more time than that. The pilot probably had thousands of hours of experience, just not in a 777. We all have to start somewhere. All the high time pilots in a given airframe started flying it with 0 hours. If you don't let anyone with low time fly, you will run out of pilots.
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Right, but still. Youd think he would have 200-250 hours shadowing someone else. At another company or something! 43 hours is to LA and back twice for him...
 
Ducky_Fresh said:
I dunno, may want to blame whoever put a guy with 43 hours in this plane at the helm, somewhat responsible, too..

It used to take 40 hours to get a small plane, private license, 10 of which used to have to be twin engine time. Most stories ive heard to fly a commercial rig with passengers is upwards of 10,000+. Your first 1000-5000 is on puddle jumpers and cargo planes, ups, fedex, etc.

I just cant believe how negligent the company was. Shocked.
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43 hours in type is not 43 hours total.

He's clearly transitioning from another type. And that's not going to include simulator time...guess how people get time in type?
 
Ducky_Fresh said:
Right, but still. Youd think he would have 200-250 hours shadowing someone else. At another company or something! 43 hours is to LA and back twice for him...
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According to the article, the co-pilot had over 3000 hours in type. That means the co-pilot was the Captain, and in charge. You can't learn to fly without taking the controls. The captain is to blame for not monitoring the FO and calling a go around early enough.

Keep in mind experience is measured in flight time. LA and back is like 2 hours. He had 43 hours of flight time in type. 9793 hours total.
 
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cannot imagine a parents grief to be told of the loss of their adored child from so far away. my thoughts and prayers are with them, and all those who struggle to recover.

:rose
 
teg916 said:
According to the article, the co-pilot had over 3000 hours in type. That means the co-pilot was the Captain, and in charge. You can't learn to fly without taking the controls. The captain is to blame for not monitoring the FO and calling a go around early enough.

Keep in mind experience is measured in flight time. LA and back is like 2 hours. He had 43 hours of flight time in type. 9793 hours total.
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They alternate legs.

And the PIC is just a legal distinction, the more interesting one to make here is the PF / PNF. Hours in type has nothing to do with that.
 
teg916 said:
According to the article, the co-pilot had over 3000 hours in type. That means the co-pilot was the Captain, and in charge. You can't learn to fly without taking the controls. The captain is to blame for not monitoring the FO and calling a go around early enough.

Keep in mind experience is measured in flight time. LA and back is like 2 hours. He had 43 hours of flight time in type. 9793 hours total.
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How are pilots supposed to get experience on the different type of aircraft in the fleet if they are not allowed to fly it?. The article mentioned that the pilot had 43 hours in the 777, but had thousands of hours in the 747 and had flown into SFO many times before. The question that needs to be asked and investigated is what role the copilot who had thousands of hours in the 777 had on approach. Did he sense the approach was too low and slow and request to take control from the pilot? Did he give verbal warning to increase airspeed? Is this their first time flying together in the 777 on this route? The NTSB interview of the pilots will be key. They are supposed to work as a team on the flight deck.
 
Here's a video of the whole accident
[youtube]SY_yA7eJXpE[/youtube]
 
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