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Sinking San Francisco building

Why would it be anyone else's fault besides the engineers who designed the building and the developer who built it? That's their job. If their design was flawed, or they cut corners to maximize profits, they should be on the hook.

If there were other factors, like water tables or TransBay terminal, they (designer/builder) should have accounted for that. The tax payers shouldn't be on the hook.
 
msethhunter said:
Then explain.
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City building codes address construction issues and quality. A minimum level of safety related to materials being used and how they are installed. Such as sprinklers, drywall thickness and fire suppressant level, lighting and switches, wiring...
The codes don't certify the engineering of a structural design.

A small residential home yeah they have more to say about the building framework but not much when it comes to office and apt towers.
 
While we're at it, let's just have the taxpayers foot the bill whenever Ford, Honda, Chevy, etc. issue massive recalls on their vehicles to fix broken shit after-the-fact, since all of the government regulations were met when it was originally built.
 
spook said:
While we're at it, let's just have the taxpayers foot the bill whenever Ford, Honda, Chevy, etc. issue massive recalls on their vehicles to fix broken shit after-the-fact, since all of the government regulations were met when it was originally built.
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In fact, if anyone, anywhere, commits a crime, let's get real, if government had the right regulations and enforced them, this wouldn't happen. Crime is the fault of the government and they should pay for it.
 
DTM74 said:
For the Transbay Terminal, a 3ft wide soil/cement cutoff wall was installed around the perimeter of the site prior to the excavation (which is the norm for all this type of construction)...this essentially "cuts off" water travel through the wall as you dewater the excavation. The cutoff wall extended 100ft below grade.

Even prior the the cutoff wall being installed, instrumentation is installed on neighboring buildings, piezometers are installed all around the area to monitor groundwater levels in the event the groundwater table is being lowered. Alarms will go off if the GW table is even lowered 3-5ft.

The developer is just looking for someone to blame, when in actuality their own foundation design is inadequate. I'm sure the developer, the architect, and the structural engineer are locked in "the Blame Game" now.
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The article I read said the same and that the monitor sensors weren't operational. But yeah, it's just a CYA blame game form here on
 
Monitor sensors may not be operational but piezometers normally just need a probe dropped down them on the end of a measuring chain and readings taken manually. Do this daily or even twice daily and doesn't matter about warning sensors.
 
Apt owners are going to get hit with the cost of repairs. I wouldn't want to be holding the bag when that bill gets delivered.
 
I wonder what the contract the buyers signed specifies in regards to habitibility and whether the tilting of the tower constitutes a significant material defect. If the building does require significant modification or removal what's to stop the developers from filing for bankruptcy leaving the apartment owners and city to clean up the mess.
 
ratsblast said:
I wonder what the contract the buyers signed specifies in regards to habitibility and whether the tilting of the tower constitutes a significant material defect. If the building does require significant modification or removal what's to stop the developers from filing for bankruptcy leaving the apartment owners and city to clean up the mess.
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Make no mistake. They will.

Developers in the Bay Area are among the sleaziest developers I've seen in a number of places. It's all about the money grab and they don't give a shit if everything falls apart once they've gotten their money.
 
They'll probably split off the tower into it's own business first and leave it no other assets so they don't actually lose anything when they file for bankruptcy. :party
 
cycle61 said:
They'll probably split off the tower into it's own business first and leave it no other assets so they don't actually lose anything when they file for bankruptcy. :party
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It's probably already set up that way.
 
Climber said:
Make no mistake. They will.

Developers in the Bay Area are among the sleaziest developers I've seen in a number of places. It's all about the money grab and they don't give a shit if everything falls apart once they've gotten their money.
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This is the reason I never call them "Developers". They are not developing shit. They are in it for the money. Not for improving the quality of life. That is the job of the elected city/county/state/federal officials.
 
Climber said:
Make no mistake. They will.

Developers in the Bay Area are among the sleaziest developers I've seen in a number of places. It's all about the money grab and they don't give a shit if everything falls apart once they've gotten their money.
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Point of reference: Seeno homes, one of the shadiest.
 
I've certainly had houses that could to that, but none of them cost $3 million dollars and sat hundreds of feet above the city. :laughing
 
Makes me wonder what would happen to that building during a long hard earthquake when the landfill under them liquifies and has shock waves running through it.

I'm glad I don't live or work within (height of the building plus 50 feet) of this building!

Good thing it isn't that building that is within spitting distance of 80!
 
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