gixxerjoeca
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WTF does it matter? Like the cop had time to make any evaluation of the mans sobriety. Jeezus fuckin christ, the cop shot the poor guy in the back without any good reason.
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WTF does it matter? Like the cop had time to make any evaluation of the mans sobriety. Jeezus fuckin christ, the cop shot the poor guy in the back without any good reason.
macadamizer
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Nobody here has said he didn't have a cause to get stopped. But .09 is still not a felony, unless he kills someone.
Maybe so -- but the officer is going to go to prison, most likely, for deciding to speed up the process. And deservedly so.
And you wonder why some people think you are as intolerant as are the people your screenname implies that you killed?
JihadiKiller031
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don't let the facts get in the way of YOUR reality there guy
I already said the officer was wrong. You just like to fucking argue.
It's called paying attention to everything that should upset EVERYONE. I said the officer was wrong, but with sarcasm and a sick sense of humor, I'm also saying that this jackass driving high and drunk is lucky he is only paralyzed. He could be dead or worse, someone else could be dead just because of his DEADLY decision to get behind the wheel impaired.
I am sorry for not taking driving intoxicated lightly. Especially when that person is at this point a public representative for all of us by being a motorcycle rider.
Being a smart ass with a sick sense of humor in the irony of life just goes over some of your heads....
JihadiKiller031
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Repost.....
also I am sure he has never driven tired, distracted, while eating, cell phone, etc. because that means he needs to be shot in the back and killed as well.
Paralyzation isn't good enough remember?
you people are goose shit insane
It amazes me how people are still trying to justify the officers actions. Also, don't post some penal code and think you are a defense lawyer. I was arrested for felony evasion last year when the dash cam clearly showed otherwise, and that was tossed after some court (oh how I love the system) so I do have experience with this.
Lets see what you guys have as a response to:
A) The rider pulled over almost immediately after the lights/sirens went on. aKa no felony evasion
B) He was not given any orders to turn off the bike/dismount/etc -- He was not disobeying the cop or showing resistance
C) Never showed any eminent threat or made sudden moves - self-explanatory
D) He was in the process of going from gear --> N, probably to dismount. self-explanatory
E) It took 3-5 seconds from the time the bike pulled over to him being paralyzed for the rest of his life after all that happened.
K guys, bring it, lets make this "justifiable". I sure as hell know I would rather be dead than paralyzed, so the cop does his "time" (4 years prison and probation sound good?) and continues his life. This kid will be constantly reminded of what happened everytime he wakes up.
Lets see what you guys have as a response to:
A) The rider pulled over almost immediately after the lights/sirens went on. aKa no felony evasion
B) He was not given any orders to turn off the bike/dismount/etc -- He was not disobeying the cop or showing resistance
C) Never showed any eminent threat or made sudden moves - self-explanatory
D) He was in the process of going from gear --> N, probably to dismount. self-explanatory
E) It took 3-5 seconds from the time the bike pulled over to him being paralyzed for the rest of his life after all that happened.
K guys, bring it, lets make this "justifiable". I sure as hell know I would rather be dead than paralyzed, so the cop does his "time" (4 years prison and probation sound good?) and continues his life. This kid will be constantly reminded of what happened everytime he wakes up.
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JihadiKiller031
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also I am sure he has never driven tired, distracted, while eating, cell phone, etc. because that means he needs to be shot in the back and killed as well.
Paralyzation isn't good enough remember?
you people are goose shit insane
Cool, I'm gonna down a few bottles and
down the street you live.... WTF? You are seriously trying to push the fact that he was impaired under the rug????Being pissed about drunk and high drivers on the road... that makes me goose shit insane? Oh wait, it must have been the smart ass comment about how he's lucky that getting shot in the back was all he got, considering he could have taken the life of someone else for his poor judgement call. Yeah I'm sorry I don't feel bad for how his life is now. Still didn't honestly say the officer didn't do any wrong, just said I don't feel bad for the rider being paralyzed since he made a stupid choice to ride intoxicated.
JihadiKiller031
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while presenting an entirely different scenario than the one that occurred
At what point did I present a different scenario then what occurred?
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Dumbest cop in America award goes to this guy!!!
greggargubby
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why did the cop even have his gun drawn to begin with? what for? because he thought it was evasion? if so, what a moron. did you see how long he followed them and how quickly they stopped? moreover, the guy who got shot was clearly just watching what was happening with his friend and the other officer.
what complete crap; that cop is 100% at fault. i can't even say i agree that the guy on the bike could have had his hands up; to me, it looks like he really didn't know the cop was there, didn't realize there were two sirens and a cop behind him. he just turned to identify who or what was making the noise and will never walk again because of it.
while i applaud the system for trying the cop, i doubt he'll ever serve time for it (does any cop ever serve time for any crime? they don't in portland, that i can tell you). but i do see the municipality he works (worked) for eventually paying out a whole lot of cash for his stupidity.
i have to add... speaking as a photographer that shoots sports, the effect the camera has on peoples' behavior never ceases to amaze me. did it create this tragedy? impossible to say, of course. but it does make me wonder if the cop would have acted with less bravado if he knew nobody would ever see or be impressed by his actions.
what complete crap; that cop is 100% at fault. i can't even say i agree that the guy on the bike could have had his hands up; to me, it looks like he really didn't know the cop was there, didn't realize there were two sirens and a cop behind him. he just turned to identify who or what was making the noise and will never walk again because of it.
while i applaud the system for trying the cop, i doubt he'll ever serve time for it (does any cop ever serve time for any crime? they don't in portland, that i can tell you). but i do see the municipality he works (worked) for eventually paying out a whole lot of cash for his stupidity.
i have to add... speaking as a photographer that shoots sports, the effect the camera has on peoples' behavior never ceases to amaze me. did it create this tragedy? impossible to say, of course. but it does make me wonder if the cop would have acted with less bravado if he knew nobody would ever see or be impressed by his actions.
My pokemans...let me show you them....
The guy that got shot came to a complete and controlled stop, different scenario
the lights came on AFTER they sped, not before. different scenario
They were never running, he pulled over 5 seconds after the lights came on. Those lights came on AFTER they were speeding. different scenario
Cool, I'm gonna down a few bottles and
Being pissed about drunk and high drivers on the road... that makes me goose shit insane? Oh wait, it must have been the smart ass comment about how he's lucky that getting shot in the back was all he got, considering he could have taken the life of someone else for his poor judgement call. Yeah I'm sorry I don't feel bad for how his life is now. Still didn't honestly say the officer didn't do any wrong, just said I don't feel bad for the rider being paralyzed since he made a stupid choice to ride intoxicated.
I'm not trying to push it under the rug. I am just showing you how dumb that rationalization is.
I'm sure you have NEVER made any poor judgement calls while operating a motor vehicle, ever.
norcalkeith
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I'm not trying to push it under the rug. I am just showing you how dumb that rationalization is.
I'm sure you have NEVER made any poor judgement calls while operating a motor vehicle, ever.
Via Jihadi's myspace.
4tuneit1
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Look i understand your points exactly and those others made, but I have to consider more than just the bikers POV in this, play devils advocate or whatever, I expect the anti-authority crowd to rally round the bikers...fuck its BARF ya know? But the case you just made compared to what actually happened in the video are completely 180 degrees polar opposites. Hindsight is a powerful ally to some trying to depict the LE actions in a manner that may or may not be true, the information isn't really there. The reaction the officer made was made in a split second (wrong or not I'm not arguing that because ultimately we all are just giving an opinion without being there or at the trial) This could have turned out like many other news stories...the officer paused longer, the person actually pull a weapon, there would be a dead officer. Not long ago a K9 officer in Ohio was shot dead on a routine stop, no warning, no crazy behavior, just popped in the head at the side of the car. Do I know what threat the officer was feeling when the rider didn't obey his commands, motioned towards his waistband and resulted in the shooting? No..but I do know their actions didn't help a damn thing, and I'm not letting the cops off with zero culpability in the end, I'm just not particularly sympathetic to the person who leads cops into the dark of night to test the limits of human self preservation and the thin blue line between life and death. :|
When I leave my house I have a reasonable expectation that if I obey the law, drive in a safe manner, and do what I do without drawing attention to illegal activity I won't have to test the system. And you know what, it works pretty well for 99.99 of the law abiding public. Again I think this is the exception not the rule we've seen in the vid considering the tremendous volume of high risk stops LE makes on a daily basis and the relative peace society operates. IMO your chances of what happened in the video though increase exponentially if you do a few non compliant things to set off LE radars that was shown in the video as unlawful, and possibly what we didnt see in the video previous to them speeding off. Motorcyclists and cops don't mesh well, its like Tom and Jerry, the adversarial nature and history of cops chasing bikers is old as it gets, I think whats changed is the culture overall that has gotten more violent and changed that interaction from something I knew as a kid as innocent with innocent outcomes, to something more dangerous and threatening with the rise of gangs, drugs, etc.
The standard we're expecting is a high one for LE, and I fully support that, but when these types of situations occur, the hindsight crowd usually can tell us exactly why LE should have acted, how they should have acted, and when. Its a lazy persons arguement based just on emotion. The standard to bear by this reasoning is not attainable to reach a true or intellectually honest end. You can train LE day and night, and how to react to this or that, but there is a grey area that falls on the shoulders of the other party involved especially when that party taunts authority. That reality cannot simply be ignored because anti-authority is the popular thing to say as it usually is here on BARF.
Bottom line. Cop shoots biker and there was no good reason for the whole thing to happen.
JihadiKiller031
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Don't lights normally come on AFTER you speed? 
10 seconds of lights is more then enough time for a bike to accelerate to a high rate of speed to evade....
Yeah I pulled my vehicle over on the side of the road and misjudged some brush. pulled into a ditch. On a back road in Sonoma. Didn't drive intoxicated, through a school zone. *EDIT* I was 17 when this happened. I'm 24 now...
Driving intoxicated is completely different then making a poor judgement call on road width and getting my own vehicle stuck in the brush by pulling over on the side of a back road.
Keep trying to use points unrelated to the topic at hand to justify your idiocy.
Want some more pictures? There are plenty around the internet. I am not hiding anything. Guess I should just stalk you and post pictures of you up to show how something you did relates nothing to the topic at hand....
10 seconds of lights is more then enough time for a bike to accelerate to a high rate of speed to evade....
Yeah I pulled my vehicle over on the side of the road and misjudged some brush. pulled into a ditch. On a back road in Sonoma. Didn't drive intoxicated, through a school zone. *EDIT* I was 17 when this happened. I'm 24 now...
Driving intoxicated is completely different then making a poor judgement call on road width and getting my own vehicle stuck in the brush by pulling over on the side of a back road.
Keep trying to use points unrelated to the topic at hand to justify your idiocy.
Want some more pictures? There are plenty around the internet. I am not hiding anything. Guess I should just stalk you and post pictures of you up to show how something you did relates nothing to the topic at hand....
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