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Tesla Model 3: End of the Internal-Combustion Engine?

wazzuFreddo said:
Our minivans work just fine for that. :p

I’ll probably look for a model 3 a lot harder after summer break.
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Minivans are very practical! There is a certain stigma that goes along with the minivan tho.
 
Abacinator said:
Minivans are very practical! There is a certain stigma that goes along with the minivan tho.
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One funny thing that I noticed is with each iteration, minivans are getting shorter (vertically) and morphing back towards the maligned station wagon. :laughing
 
Wow. It looks like more is being written about this now...it looks like it's resurfacing that a major Tesla FSD fan has hit and killed a motorcyclist while using the car with full self driving : |


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1676634183576289307

This is an interesting series of tweets re: Tesla FSD. I’ve spoken at length with
@RealDanODowd
and
@chazman
about this. I don’t short sell companies (in any way), I don’t think Dan does (and truly believe he has zero financial interest in TSLA losing value), and feel I’m able to see both sides.

Knowing both, here are my thoughts:

Dan is extremely passionate about safety-critical systems, and feels what Musk is attempting (re: FSD) is a disgrace to safety engineers. Dan has privately told me he admires some of Musk’s achievements.

IMHO, this is not a billionaire fight. Dan used a loophole to run TV ads disparaging a singular part of Tesla (take a guess, it’s related to claims of “Full Self-Driving”) by running as a State SENATOR…

On Chuck’s point re: Dan’s inconsistencies; ya, Dan doesn’t seem super well versed in Tesla-specific terminology (a point for which I’m especially feared and Dan quickly shunned).

Chuck (a respected commercial pilot), in the meantime, has succumb to the attention of Musk [see “Joe Mode”]. Chuck had done among the most scientific and consistent tests, which Tesla (as we now know) eventually gamed.

Chuck was good and honest, until he killed a motorcyclist while his infamous Model Y was driving itself in Florida. No one talks about this, because it’s clearly a sensitive topic. [While I personally don’t believe a non-Tesla-related system would have prevented the tragedy,] this changed Chuck.

The media has yet to report on this, but they will (now), and the dots will connect quickly.
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AbsolutEnduser said:
... killed a motorcyclist while using the car with full self driving : |


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1676634183576289307
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FSD made the wheel come off a 3-wheeled motorcycle? That should be the first question from reading the Twitter thread. Check out the video by the driver of the Model Y.

Remember from this thread, that Dan O'Dowd regularly tweets FUD. Be careful with anything related to O'Dowd


I'm not saying that FSD is flawless because it's obviously not, but don't suck into the FUD.
 
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Tesla Model Y is the first EV to become the world’s bestselling car


Earnings report today

Tesla profits climb despite price cuts


-Automotive revenue was up 47%, excluding revenue from the sale of regulatory credits
-Cyber Truck deliveries by the end of the year (get ready for a quirky truck)
-the company is in “early” discussions with another major automaker to license it “full self-driving” (FSD) technology.
-"We see a clear path to full self-driving being 10x safer than the average human driver" (hopefully it will happen one day)
-Solar is down (glad I did not go work for them)
-Dojo production started, next step for Tesla AI
-Texas 4680 production +80% q/q, COGS -25%
-Next-gen "Cybercell" 4680 +10% energy density
-Surpassed 5,000 Supercharger stations
- Factory upgrades beginning now
-$1B free cash flow despite heavy investments
 
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While i have largely been pretty supportive of Self Driving as an important future technology, I may begin to become hostile. Waymo's recent attacks on human drivers as a danger due to speeding being common is probably going to tip my opinions the other direction now.
 
Eldritch said:
While i have largely been pretty supportive of Self Driving as an important future technology, I may begin to become hostile. Waymo's recent attacks on human drivers as a danger due to speeding being common is probably going to tip my opinions the other direction now.
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Even besides the current safety issues, there's this whole issue of power consumption. The computers that power autonomous vehicles use so much power, they may just negate the efficiencies of battery powered vehicles and increase one's carbon footprint.
 
bojangle said:
Even besides the current safety issues, there's this whole issue of power consumption. The computers that power autonomous vehicles use so much power, they may just negate the efficiencies of battery powered vehicles and increase one's carbon footprint.
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It is an interesting angle, I honestly have no idea how something like that effects battery life on an EV.
 
bojangle said:
Even besides the current safety issues, there's this whole issue of power consumption. The computers that power autonomous vehicles use so much power, they may just negate the efficiencies of battery powered vehicles and increase one's carbon footprint.
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I highly doubt this is true
 
wazzuFreddo said:
I highly doubt this is true
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I was just going to say the same and I do not even have it in my own Tesla.

I tried it when there was a free trial period. I didn't even like it. I would not use it even if I had it. And to be forced to keep hands on the steering wheel defeats any practical purpose for it. And I thought it was especially dumb when I discovered it cannot even follow the GPS routes.

-Don- Reno, NV
 
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bojangle said:
Even besides the current safety issues, there's this whole issue of power consumption. The computers that power autonomous vehicles use so much power, they may just negate the efficiencies of battery powered vehicles and increase one's carbon footprint.
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Lolwtf. No.

Many modern vehicles, whether they have a full ADAS suite or not, have dozens of control modules on board. Sure ADAS running a milliwave radar unit (or five) consumes some wattage, but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to some of the bigger consumers that are running such as HVAC, infotainment, and lighting.
 
LED's saved the power draw of modern autos.
 
Holeshot said:
LED's saved the power draw of modern autos.
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But even if not, that will be a drop in the bucket to an EV.

Say conventional head lights draw 55 watts each. My Tesla battery is 70,000 watt-hours.

70,000 divided by 120 watts total for all the old-style inefficient lamps in the average car. Run those lights for 583 hours (or for more than twenty-four 24-hour days) if the motor is not running.

Such won't make much difference in a few hours of driving. Perhaps will reduce the range by two or three feet or so in every charge.

So the change to LEDs was not a big difference in battery consumption to EVs. But every few feet of added range helps a little.

-Don- Reno, NV
 
Killroy1999 said:
I found this that says that the Tesla FSD chip uses 1/3 of the power that the replaced Nvidia chip uses. Old news, but sorry Nvidia.

Also, we can see that computer chips are orders of magnitude lower power than propulsion for a modern car. Physics is a bitch.

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2021/...tts-but-tesla-hw3-fsd-chip-uses-36-watts.html
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But even 1,000 watts is not much to an EV battery. The Tesla A/C can draw 2,000 watts when on and I doubt it anybody notices any difference in range with it on or off. Less than a 3% difference in range. Less than 1.5% with that thousand-watt load.

-Don- Reno, NV
 
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