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The Home Grower's Thread
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HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
Oh yeah it's budding. I trimmed out the "pre-bud" that formed before it went back into veg...it's been in 12/12 for about 4 weeks.
It originally looked this this so you can see what supercropping and LST does:
It originally looked this this so you can see what supercropping and LST does:
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
I think in the 6 months I've been doing this I've gained a lot of comfort with the plants, still working on mastering nutrients. These plants are doing much better than the first grow.
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
Should I re-pot them from the 2 gallons into 3 gallons?
I should have used 3 gallons.
I should have used 3 gallons.
shouldnthave
Taze away, Yana...
You guys are making this way, way too complicated. Time to stop trying to grow outdoor rules inside.
The next time you want to do this, don't auto flower, buy clones from a dispensary. Put the clones into small pots, or solo cups if they aren't already with a 50/50 coco/perlite mix (bon't buy 'fancy' soil for indoor). When the plant has been in the solo cup for two weeks, transfer to a 2 gallon Radicle bag for the remainder of it's life.
Veg for 24 hours a day until it is the size you want it to flower. When the plant gets 10" tall, top it. When it gets 15" tall, top it one last time so all the starts are the same hight.
When you want it to flower, switch the light to 12/12, or better yet, move them over to another flower tent on 12/12, and start vegging another set of plants in the first tent after the flower are 2 weeks in (depending on the hight you want you may have to wait a week or two more to start the second round of veg).
Watering schedule:
Go to your favorite grow shop and buy the Veg+Bloom mix and the three additives made specifically by Veg+Bloom. Nothing else, no teas, no other additives, no other bullshit.
Follow the directions for Veg+Bloom on their feeding schedule, PH the water to 5.8, and feed only your mix every time you water. Water (always with the mix unless you let them wilt, then straight water PH 5.8 till them come back around) when the pots are light. Because of the small size of your plants you don't want to over water. That spells doom for a plant.
Follow that, and you'll have a fantastic harvest every time without any of the bullshit, or guess work.
The next time you want to do this, don't auto flower, buy clones from a dispensary. Put the clones into small pots, or solo cups if they aren't already with a 50/50 coco/perlite mix (bon't buy 'fancy' soil for indoor). When the plant has been in the solo cup for two weeks, transfer to a 2 gallon Radicle bag for the remainder of it's life.
Veg for 24 hours a day until it is the size you want it to flower. When the plant gets 10" tall, top it. When it gets 15" tall, top it one last time so all the starts are the same hight.
When you want it to flower, switch the light to 12/12, or better yet, move them over to another flower tent on 12/12, and start vegging another set of plants in the first tent after the flower are 2 weeks in (depending on the hight you want you may have to wait a week or two more to start the second round of veg).
Watering schedule:
Go to your favorite grow shop and buy the Veg+Bloom mix and the three additives made specifically by Veg+Bloom. Nothing else, no teas, no other additives, no other bullshit.
Follow the directions for Veg+Bloom on their feeding schedule, PH the water to 5.8, and feed only your mix every time you water. Water (always with the mix unless you let them wilt, then straight water PH 5.8 till them come back around) when the pots are light. Because of the small size of your plants you don't want to over water. That spells doom for a plant.
Follow that, and you'll have a fantastic harvest every time without any of the bullshit, or guess work.
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
Side note 3 gallon smart pots fit but I'd need to cut a hole in the side because they block the air intake.
shouldnthave
Taze away, Yana...
Your plants are too small for 3 gallon pots, you'll drown them.
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
Cool. They have 8 weeks left in the "3 month" autoflower lifecycle.
Thanks for the advice, I'm like the autoflower for the Space Buckets because otherwise I might have to add several more levels of risers. They're flowering short and if I get an oz from each it will be a success.
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shouldnthave
Taze away, Yana...
Take it or leave it. I have only been doing this as a full time career since March of 1998, so what do I know?
That's just the veg room...
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
In no way am I questioning your advice or skills. Thanks a lot, I appreciate your advice. Impressive room 
The space buckets are my "fun" growers, the tent is where I apply the real lessons.
Feel free to drop by and critique my setup anytime!
The space buckets are my "fun" growers, the tent is where I apply the real lessons.
Feel free to drop by and critique my setup anytime!
Can you elaborate on this part? Feed only your mix every time you water, but water when they're light? Are you using "water" to mean feed?
Great looking room btw. Are you feeding from the bottom by flooding the trays?
shouldnthave
Taze away, Yana...
'Water' is always 'feed' in a soilless medium. That's why you run a soilless medium so you can regulate the feed exactly as the plant stands. If you see a deficiency in soil you have to guess what the best solution is. If you see a deficiency in a soilless medium you only have to adapt the mix and solve it that day because it will flush out the old mix.
As for type of feeding, the veg room is never static because the plants are always moving from one end of the room to the other, so I run ebb and flow from two 150 gal tanks. the first 4 trays get a watered down mix, and the last 5 get a stronger mix as they get bigger.
Every Monday, the largest 75-150 plants (depending on the cycle) move out of the room into the flower pods to replace the plants that were just taken down. Those plants are static, so they are fed via a drip (top feed) system. We have 12 large tanks that feed every individual row. We do that because throughout the flower cycle the plants will need a different mix every week.
Here is a photo of one of the pods. This row was taken down, and is in the middle of being reset. This happens every Monday. Every pod has a total of 4 rows. each row has 5 trays of 15 plants for a total of 75 plants. I have no idea why it's sideways...
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First, super cool, I appreciate you sharing pics and info.
We talked a bit about coco/perlite in a quasi-hydro setup, but ultimately the desire for controllers and whatnot wasn't there, so he's just rolling with soil and I'm sure it will turn out well. Would you still not use bacterial tea with soil?
Cool, so you have a nice little workflow of veg plants making their way to flower rooms and boost ppm as they go and it looks like light increases as well. Pretty sweet. If I can ping you for specifics, can you tell me what kind of controller you're running for your ebb and flow 150g reservoir setup?
Jesus man, if you move 75-150 into pods every monday and judging by the size of the pods, it seems like you must have at least eight of those pods and as many as sixteen? You guys are animals, I love it. Does it head east in the end?
Just from a small amount experince with drip lines, even the pressure regulated ones, I hate 'em and they don't distribute evenly even at 100ft and they're supposed to go ~250ft. I see you're using pvc and I assume there's a ~1gph emitter or two for each plant? How do you get even distribution and why don't you continue with ebb and flow in flower?
We talked a bit about coco/perlite in a quasi-hydro setup, but ultimately the desire for controllers and whatnot wasn't there, so he's just rolling with soil and I'm sure it will turn out well. Would you still not use bacterial tea with soil?
Cool, so you have a nice little workflow of veg plants making their way to flower rooms and boost ppm as they go and it looks like light increases as well. Pretty sweet. If I can ping you for specifics, can you tell me what kind of controller you're running for your ebb and flow 150g reservoir setup?
Jesus man, if you move 75-150 into pods every monday and judging by the size of the pods, it seems like you must have at least eight of those pods and as many as sixteen? You guys are animals, I love it. Does it head east in the end?
Just from a small amount experince with drip lines, even the pressure regulated ones, I hate 'em and they don't distribute evenly even at 100ft and they're supposed to go ~250ft. I see you're using pvc and I assume there's a ~1gph emitter or two for each plant? How do you get even distribution and why don't you continue with ebb and flow in flower?
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shouldnthave
Taze away, Yana...
Ebb and flow requires hundreds of gallons of water to fill 5 trays (one row). Every one of those gallons of water requires money in the form of mix. If you can reduce the amount of water used every week you reduce the amount of nutrients (read money) required to feed the plant. Not to mention the water waste when you finally flush it down the drain once a week.
As for the drip, you never use a 'drip controller' of sorts. Those will eventually clog causing plants not to feed. They also require way too much pump to get them up to pressure per row with two drips per plant @ 75 plants. Instead you make everything the same. The same two 1/8" holes (in the pipe above the plant) at the exact same level for every plant. Use that in conjunction with a ball valve on every tray to regulate, and you're golden.
We don't move 75-150 per pod, we move that per week. We are on a 9 week schedule in flower, so we have 9 rows of 75 (each week is a row hence sea of green). This is where it gets tricky, each pod holds 4 rows (that's just how the lights and system works out with the highest productivity) 9 is not devisable by 4, so we end up with three extra rows not in sync with the other 9 weeks (rows). That means every three weeks one extra row comes down making them the 150 weeks. If that makes sense.
Distribution is all south. We own a dispensary in LA and all of our product from our grows goes to our patients there.
Ahhhh okay, that sounds like a nice drip system. I figured big pro indoor grows used some gnarly six figure setup, but this is great. It's just gravity fed? Does one big reservoir feed the entire pod, or do you use a reservoir per row? Anyway, I love it. Tour please. 
I feed every 2 days, ph 6.0, tap water.
Advanced nutrients--
Sensi bloom and grow
Fish and kelp fertilizer
Calmag
B52
Overdrive
I was using superthrive but it just smells like shit and I'm not really into it.
I do heavy doses of silica.