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The Official 2012 NFL Thread
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NFL: Saints organization had bounties on rivals
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New Orleans Saints players and at least one assistant coach maintained a bounty pool of up to $50,000 the last three seasons to reward game-ending injuries inflicted on opposing players, including Brett Favre and Kurt Warner, the NFL said Friday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/sports/s122321S87.DTL&tsp=1
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New Orleans Saints players and at least one assistant coach maintained a bounty pool of up to $50,000 the last three seasons to reward game-ending injuries inflicted on opposing players, including Brett Favre and Kurt Warner, the NFL said Friday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/sports/s122321S87.DTL&tsp=1
postcholo
Chile con Carnage
anyway, there is going to be hell to pay for the saints and gregg williams
NFL DISCLOSES FINDINGS OF INVESTIGATION INTO VIOLATIONS OF “BOUNTY RULE”
A lengthy investigation by the NFL’s security department has disclosed that between 22 and 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints, as well as at least one assistant coach, maintained a “bounty” program funded primarily by players in violation of NFL rules during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons, the NFL announced today.
The league’s investigation determined that this improper “Pay for Performance” program included “bounty” payments to players for inflicting injuries on opposing players that would result in them being removed from a game.
The findings – corroborated by multiple independent sources – have been presented to Commissioner Roger Goodell, who will determine the appropriate discipline for the violation.
“The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for ‘performance,’ but also for injuring opposing players,” Commissioner Goodell said. “The bounty rule promotes two key elements of NFL football: player safety and competitive integrity.
“It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated. We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety and we are not going to relent. We have more work to do and we will do it.”
The players regularly contributed cash into a pool and received improper cash payments of two kinds from the pool based on their play in the previous week’s game. Payments were made for plays such as interceptions and fumble recoveries, but the program also included “bounty” payments for “cart-offs” (meaning that the opposing player was carried off the field) and “knockouts” (meaning that the opposing player was not able to return to the game).
The investigation showed that the total amount of funds in the pool may have reached $50,000 or more at its height during the 2009 playoffs. The program paid players $1,500 for a “knockout” and $1,000 for a “cart-off” with payouts doubling or tripling during the playoffs.
The investigation included the review of approximately 18,000 documents totaling more than 50,000 pages, interviews of a wide range of individuals and the use of outside forensic experts to verify the authenticity of key documents.
The NFL has a longstanding rule prohibiting “Non-Contract Bonuses.” Non-contract bonuses violate both the NFL Constitution and By-Laws and the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Clubs are advised every year of this rule in a memo from the commissioner. Citing Sections 9.1(C)(8), and 9.3(F) and (G) of the Constitution and By-Laws, the memo for the 2011 season stated:
“No bonus or award may directly or indirectly be offered, promised, announced, or paid to a player for his or his team’s performance against a particular team or opposing player or a particular group thereof. No bonuses or awards may be offered or paid for on field misconduct (for example, personal fouls to or injuries inflicted on opposing players).”
“Our investigation began in early 2010 when allegations were first made that Saints players had targeted opposing players, including Kurt Warner of the Cardinals and Brett Favre of the Vikings,” Commissioner Goodell said. “Our security department interviewed numerous players and other individuals. At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven. We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season.”
The additional investigation established the following facts:
1. During the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons, the players and other participants involved used their own money to fund a “Pay for Performance” program. Players earned cash awards for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. They also earned “bounty” payments for “cart-offs” and “knockouts.” All such payments violate league rules for non-contract bonuses.
2. Players were willing and enthusiastic participants in the program, contributing regularly and at times pledging large amounts. Between 22 and 27 defensive players contributed funds to the pool over the course of three NFL seasons. In some cases, the amounts pledged were both significant and directed against a specific opposing player.
3. The bounty program was administered by defensive coordinator Gregg Williams with the knowledge of other defensive coaches. Funds were contributed on occasion by Williams.
4. Saints owner Tom Benson gave immediate and full cooperation to the investigators. The evidence conclusively established that Mr. Benson was not aware of the bounty program. When informed earlier this year of the new information, Mr. Benson advised league staff that he had directed his general manager, Mickey Loomis, to ensure that any bounty program be discontinued immediately. The evidence showed that Mr. Loomis did not carry out Mr. Benson’s directions. Similarly, when the initial allegations were discussed with Mr. Loomis in 2010, he denied any knowledge of a bounty program and pledged that he would ensure that no such program was in place. There is no evidence that Mr. Loomis took any effective action to stop these practices.
5. Although head coach Sean Payton was not a direct participant in the funding or administration of the program, he was aware of the allegations, did not make any detailed inquiry or otherwise seek to learn the facts, and failed to stop the bounty program. He never instructed his assistant coaches or players that a bounty program was improper and could not continue.
6. There is no question that a bounty program violates long-standing league rules. Payments of this type – even for legitimate plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries – are forbidden because they are inconsistent with the Collective Bargaining Agreement and well-accepted rules relating to NFL player contracts.
Commissioner Goodell has advised the Saints that he will hold further proceedings to determine the discipline to be assessed against individuals and the club. This will include conferring with the NFL Players Association and individual player leaders regarding appropriate discipline and remedial steps.
The discipline could include fines and suspensions and, in light of the competitive nature of the violation, forfeiture of draft choices. Any discipline may be appealed as provided for in the Constitution and By-Laws and Collective Bargaining Agreement. Any appeal would be heard and decided by the commissioner.
Commissioner Goodell also advised the Saints that he is retaining jurisdiction and reserving his authority to impose further discipline if additional information comes to his attention.
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Johndicezx9
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^^^ Ironic....
Why?
Foote is only 32. They can reasonably let him finish his contract.
I'm bummed about Farrior too, but damn, dude is 37. If they're going to start cutting people, and renew the D, you might as well cut everyone in their last season or two.
Foote's probably got at least 2 more in him, but I'm not convinced the D, as good as they are (and even were last year) is capable of continuing until they're 40.
It sucks, but it was time, Mike.
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Foote sucks. He got ran over all the time last year. It's like he forgot how to dig in and get leverage. He doesn't seem to try and get low anymore.
postcholo
Chile con Carnage
and now they're investigating the 'skins for a bounty program
NFL reportedly investigating Redskins
they should just put some pads and a helmet on gregg williams and have him run an oklahoma drill with every player one of his defenses paid a bounty on during the past 7 seasons.
NFL reportedly investigating Redskins
they should just put some pads and a helmet on gregg williams and have him run an oklahoma drill with every player one of his defenses paid a bounty on during the past 7 seasons.
Why are they bothering?
Can you really penalize the 'skins any worse than being the Redskins already does?
bluenoser
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Brett Favre?! Kurt Warner?! Peyton Manning?! Oh, lord, the hilarity would ensue. You'd see harder hits in a pillow fight.
Titans and Bills are now wrapped up in the scandal.
Eldritch
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, I was going to say that shit. Really? The Redskins as dangerous?
, BTW:
the Niners don't have a shot in hell at DeCastro or either of the other two premier OL draft prospects. so what about them trading down in to the high 30's or low 40's and trying to land Kevin Zeitler (Wis)? hrm.
it has potential, they could probably get a 3 and a 4 for letting someone trade up in to the first rnd, would have another pick in the 2nd for WR/TE/RB/CB prospects, Zeitler should be a day 1 starter leaving Snyder as the jack-of-all-trades backup and Chilo on the Singltary scrap heap.
speaking of that 2nd pick i'd love to see a DB, WR or trade for next year picks. plenty of WR's to choose from but i don't know enough about the DB class to think who might be appropriate here.... i could see Colby Fleener being taken here, too. Vernon, Delanie Nate AND Colby at TE? who needs WRs!
arty
it has potential, they could probably get a 3 and a 4 for letting someone trade up in to the first rnd, would have another pick in the 2nd for WR/TE/RB/CB prospects, Zeitler should be a day 1 starter leaving Snyder as the jack-of-all-trades backup and Chilo on the Singltary scrap heap.
speaking of that 2nd pick i'd love to see a DB, WR or trade for next year picks. plenty of WR's to choose from but i don't know enough about the DB class to think who might be appropriate here.... i could see Colby Fleener being taken here, too. Vernon, Delanie Nate AND Colby at TE? who needs WRs!
arty
postcholo
Chile con Carnage
those guys arent exactly who i had in mind (i was thinking more of running backs and even big wide receivers), although considering williams is essentially a middle aged pile of blubber, those guys could probably do some damage just falling onto him.
so, no one gives a shit? maybe it bugs me because i tend to look at things as a lawyer. what makes a blatant bounty program offensive to me is the intent behind the bounty.
yes, football is a violent game, people get hurt, knocked out of games, knocked out for the season all the time. generally these things happen as unfortunate (but still unintended) results of hard play, i seriously doubt most players are going out trying to end or shorten each other's careers, because they know it could just as easily happen to them.
no doubt, players are rewarded with contracts and praise indirectly for the violence inherent in the game. we love it when our teams inflict vicious hits on the opponents, we love it when our teams withstand vicious hits and still beat the opponent. the violence and the players' ability to inflict it or withstand it is what makes many players great. and i played some ball, though not at anything close to this level obviously, and i know the feeling you get when you lay someone out and watch them get helped back to their sideline. i'm not going to lie and say i felt bad and i was certainly praised and admired for it.
but in criminal law, anyway, two identical acts can either be a crime or not a crime depending on the mental state of the person that commits the act, at the time he commits it (in the law it's called mens rea): easy example, you hit and kill someone with your car by accident, that isn't murder, you run someone over on purpose and kill them, that is murder, same act, different intent. so, if you go out and try to fuck someone up that's, essentially, a crime against football (that's why james harrison's hit on colt mccoy bugged me) when someone gets fucked up on a hard hit with no malicious intent that's just football and the nature of the game (that's why dunta robinson's hit on desean jackson or donte whitner's hit on pierre thomas didn't bother me).
so i really question what the intent was behind the saints defense under williams. were they just playing good hard football and getting extra rewards or were they just playing dirty?
i don't think trading up that far is their MO really. they did last year for Kapernick but that was more to hedge their bets against Smith at the position of ultimate need than anything else, i think.
if they do go that far i'd rather they grab David DeCastro. i just don't see them making a move up for anything. same as i don't see them overpaying for any FA, including their own (i'm looking at you, Carlos and Dashon).
while it's tempting to take BPA at 30 i was just postulating that trading down might actually be the better move for them as they could get the same pick at a better value plus some compensation in the form of a 4th rounder for their troubles. when you consider that Chris Culliver came out of the 4th for us last year that seems like a sweet deal! i figure that with the new draft format there might be more of a market for people in the top 10 of round 2 who might want to sneak in to the last part of day 1 to preempt a team in front of them. similar to how the 1st pick in round 2/day 2 is almost like the first pick overall in the terms of strategic value if not equal player value. of course, that is all predicated on Zeitler being worth a shit. lol.
in my humble opinion the O-line is the Niners biggest need. even more so than WR. so that's what i'm rooting for them to go for.
Eldritch
is insensitive
I can define that whole sentiment in the tears I saw in Lawrence Taylor's eyes when he blew Joe Theissman into extinction. He was a defensive player that changed the whole game, he blew motherfuckers up for a living, but he never wanted to hurt another player like that. I actually remember that moment, that game and L.T.'s compassionate reaction to how he had destroyed that rival as the moment I stopped just watching ball games with my dad and became a New York Giants fan for life.
This is why I hate dirty fuckers like Flozell Adams, they are a disgrace.
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Mathis signs a (my opinion) ridiculous deal with the colts. 30 million between Mathis and Freeney in 2012. That would be ok if their were 9 other bad ass players behind them making plays. There arent. Only LB Angerer and 8 shrubs. Looks like the Colts are going to continue to suck defensively for a few more years:
Robert Mathis gets reported $36 million over four years
Defensive end Robert Mathis turned 31 last month, but the Colts believe he’s got several good years left.
According to Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star, Mathis’ new contract — announced by the club Monday evening — is valued at $36 million over four seasons.
Per Chappell, Mathis received a $15 million signing bonus. That’s a lot of up-front money and proration, so this is hardly a phony four-year deal. Chappell also reports that Mathis will get $17 million in the contract’s first year and $24 million over the first two.
Add Mathis’ $17 million in first-year payments to teammate Dwight Freeney’s $14.035 million base salary, and the Colts will be forking over in excess of $31 million to two defensive ends, both over the age of 30, in 2012.
Unless Freeney, 32, is quietly on the chopping block and we just don’t know it yet.
Robert Mathis gets reported $36 million over four years
Defensive end Robert Mathis turned 31 last month, but the Colts believe he’s got several good years left.
According to Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star, Mathis’ new contract — announced by the club Monday evening — is valued at $36 million over four seasons.
Per Chappell, Mathis received a $15 million signing bonus. That’s a lot of up-front money and proration, so this is hardly a phony four-year deal. Chappell also reports that Mathis will get $17 million in the contract’s first year and $24 million over the first two.
Add Mathis’ $17 million in first-year payments to teammate Dwight Freeney’s $14.035 million base salary, and the Colts will be forking over in excess of $31 million to two defensive ends, both over the age of 30, in 2012.
Unless Freeney, 32, is quietly on the chopping block and we just don’t know it yet.
postcholo
Chile con Carnage
guess if gregg williams get suspended for any length of time the rams could hire this guy
