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Toyota problems could be electronics

On sports cars for $25K, the Genesis R-spec is as close as I can get to $25K, despite it not really being a sports car.

Bay Arean: Backup Cameras are now legislated as mandatory (thanks US government). Lame as shit. Push button start/ stop has lead to more accidents than regular keys due to drivers not knowing how to shut the car off. It's lead to couple of deaths in the unintended acceleration problems of late.

Toyota has lost it's way, clearly.
 
Backup cameras are mandated for what? And as of when?

Also, having a push-button start/stop doesn't mean you don't have to put the damn thing in park. :facepalm
 
Backup cameras are ass. Why do you want to look forward at some dumb screen when your shit is moving backwards :mad
 
Kornholio said:
Also, having a push-button start/stop doesn't mean you don't have to put the damn thing in park. :facepalm
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Yeah, actually it does. You can push the "power" on/off button from drive or reverse and the car will put itself in park and shut off. :un-facepalm
 
wazzuFreddo said:
Backup cameras are ass. Why do you want to look forward at some dumb screen when your shit is moving backwards :mad
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Have you driven a prius? They're a giant rolling blind spot. My wife's accord coupe isn't much better. The camera is pretty damn useful. I dont' think it needed to be mandated, but it's not quite ass either.
 
radvas said:
Have you driven a prius? They're a giant rolling blind spot. My wife's accord coupe isn't much better. The camera is pretty damn useful. I dont' think it needed to be mandated, but it's not quite ass either.
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was useless in the GMC Terrain I was driving a few weeks ago
 
radvas said:
Yeah, actually it does. You can push the "power" on/off button from drive or reverse and the car will put itself in park and shut off. :un-facepalm
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Not in any vehicle with a push-button start/stop I've ever driven. In fact, the button will do nothing unless you're in park or neutral. Manual transmission cars automatically excluded, of course. Pun intended.
 
wally said:
source?
all i can find is this..
http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trucks/ops-guide/chains.html#fourwheel

i have never been asked to chain up my awd suv.
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Yeah, I was told this by a guy in the office with a Tacoma 4x4 and I believed it. But I looked it up and saw that it depends on whether you have snow tires (or what are considered mud and snow) installed on yer 4wd..It's about the R rating under "Snow" in the linkie. Sorry for imprecision

http://www.caldrive.com/conditions.html
 
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Kornholio said:
Any major differences? :dunno
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The Subaru BRZ will be more expensive due to being slightly better equipped. HID headlights, NAV, etc. It is not AWD, and may never be, there isn't much space beneath the car to fit it.

As for getting an AWD car to oversteer, you just need one that was designed for that capability. I could get the rear of my STi to step out when dialing the center diff away from the front, and towards the rear. GTR's also step the rear out when provoked.

radvas said:
Yeah, actually it does. You can push the "power" on/off button from drive or reverse and the car will put itself in park and shut off. :un-facepalm
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My G35 (automatic) will shut off the motor when the button is pressed regardless of what gear it is in, P, D, N, or R. You then need to move the shifter into Park.
 
b5 audi a4 will oversteer with a slightly bigger rear roll bar. it will then spontaneously combust because that's what german cars do
 
Kornholio said:
Not in any vehicle with a push-button start/stop I've ever driven. In fact, the button will do nothing unless you're in park or neutral.
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I'm fairly sure you can power off a prius while you are stopped in gear, and there are a lot of em on the road. I'll test it later when I see the car again.
 
radvas said:
I'm fairly sure you can power off a prius while you are stopped in gear, and there are a lot of em on the road. I'll test it later when I see the car again.
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[internetrumor]IIRC someone youtubed themselves doing just that, maybe even while in motion, during the original "toyotas don't shut off" debacle. [/internetrumor]
 
radvas said:
I'm fairly sure you can power off a prius while you are stopped in gear, and there are a lot of em on the road. I'll test it later when I see the car again.
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Well that explains that. I've never even sat in a Prius much less driven one.
 
Squidly McSmearstain said:
The new Scion/Subaru model is a nice looker, but the performance specs are too pedestrian. Who is their target demographic?
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The V6 Mustang set. Younger buyers who either don't trust themselves with a lot of power and/or can't afford the insurance and gas that goes along with having higher performance.
 
Trouble is, the V6 Mustang puts out over 300HP and costs less than the FR-S. :|

In fact, for a little over $22K, you can have a 305HP, 31 MPG Mustang. I changed my mind...Toyota is crazy.
 
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Bay Arean said:
I looked it up and saw that it depends on whether you have snow tires (or what are considered mud and snow) installed on yer 4wd..It's about the R rating under "Snow" in the linkie. Sorry for imprecision

http://www.caldrive.com/conditions.html
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FWIW, I think the unofficial Caltrans/CHP policy is to close the road before they ever get to R3.

What is worth noting is the wide range of what qualifies as a "snow tire". I'm not sure what the rigor is for getting the minmum "M+S" designation needed, but it is pretty clear that the bar is set very low. I've seen cars with such tires sliding helplessly backwards trying to climb a modest incline, while driving by and not giving a singe fuck about traction concerns riding on a set of tires carring a true snow rating.

-- actually, here's a good description of the ratings, and my guess is apparently correct: http://www.snowtyres.com.au/severe-service-emblem

radvas said:
Yeah, actually it does. You can push the "power" on/off button from drive or reverse and the car will put itself in park and shut off. :un-facepalm
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True also on newer BMWs as well with the joystick shifter-thingy.
 
jt2 said:
FWIW, I think the unofficial Caltrans/CHP policy is to close the road before they ever get to R3.
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that's been my experience as well in the touristy areas like tahoe where there are actually people out there checking chains and closing roads with snowplows as roadblocks.

however, there is a vast majority of the state where the caltrans conditions apply even if nobody is out there preventing you from being an idiot. in that scenario the chain condition report thingy is like the coastguard winter storm warnings for small vessels etc. sure, you can go out in the big waves in your rowboat but you really should stay home

i've been on hwy88 to kirkwood where it was snowing, the amber alert signs said "chains required beyond this point, 25mph for everyone" and there wasn't any caltrans encampment to keep the kiddies in line

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-- actually, here's a good description of the ratings, and my guess is apparently correct: http://www.snowtyres.com.au/severe-service-emblem
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the snowflake in the mountain symbol still isn't a guarantee. the infamous BFG Mud Terrain carries it i believe, and those things pretty much suck if it's at all icy. ya need the little grooves across the tread blocks aka sipes
 
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