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Walking Dead Season 4 (spoilers)

NorCalAthlete said:
Zombie TV/movie logic is never going to be consistent or realistic enough to where we'd like it. Might as well just accept that. If they were too good there'd be no drama and nothing to watch.
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I don't think that's the case really. Take the police drama genre, filled with some awful tripe, but there are still shows like The Wire.

Consistent doesn't have to be realistic. I loved the zombie movie Shaun of the Dead, but it sure is consistent: the guys do incredibly dumb, foolish shit, but its totally in line with their established fuck-up characters.

revnort said:
The situation as it unfolds here just makes him seem more brazen and kind of silly. Naive even. ALL the characters here have had more than enough reason to be wary of others, and especially a town claiming sanctuary. Hell even with the prison they weren't opening their doors to anyone.

Now they find a town they have seen advertised for miles around and aren't immediately suspicious when they can just walk in? I know the difference is subtle but I am less concerned with what the right para-military survivalist tactic would have been and more angry it just doesn't make sense from the character development standpoint. Especially after what they went through the night before, and where they all are as a group.
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This exactly. It doesn't fit psychologically whatsoever, and ends up being a jarring interruption of immersion.

There seems to be a lot of failure in terms of "world building" in the writing. Yeah, they get zombies, but they hadn't put all that much thought into the world of survivors and how things fell apart. The scene and picture where Rick rides his horse into Atlanta comes to mind: the first time I saw it, my very first thought was "why is only one side of the freeway jammed with thousands of cars, and not the other side?" I dunno, but it seems unlikely to me that road laws will be obeyed much if there's a mad stampede to escape a dying city. :laughing

Abacinator said:
I think whoever kidnapped Beth is the same person that had been minding the funeral home. Do we think there is a connection with that person and Terminus?
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Good catch... a honeypot trap might explain much of an episode that ended :wtf randomly. Except the horde of zombies... incidental? Or weapon used by the trapper?
 
morthrane said:
I don't think that's the case really. Take the police drama genre, filled with some awful tripe, but there are still shows like The Wire.

Consistent doesn't have to be realistic. I loved the zombie movie Shaun of the Dead, but it sure is consistent: the guys do incredibly dumb, foolish shit, but its totally in line with their established fuck-up characters.


This exactly. It doesn't fit psychologically whatsoever, and ends up being a jarring interruption of immersion.

There seems to be a lot of failure in terms of "world building" in the writing. Yeah, they get zombies, but they hadn't put all that much thought into the world of survivors and how things fell apart. The scene and picture where Rick rides his horse into Atlanta comes to mind: the first time I saw it, my very first thought was "why is only one side of the freeway jammed with thousands of cars, and not the other side?" I dunno, but it seems unlikely to me that road laws will be obeyed much if there's a mad stampede to escape a dying city. :laughing


Good catch... a honeypot trap might explain much of an episode that ended :wtf randomly. Except the horde of zombies... incidental? Or weapon used by the trapper?
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The "empty freeway lanes" trope has always bugged me. But maybe it's just because we're all motorcyclists and are always having to look for ways to avoid / filter through traffic anyway. I still wonder why they don't all ride bicycles. They're sticking to roads and trails anyway...it'd be easy enough to hop off, kill zombies, hop back on and jet.

Seems to me if they can herd people they can herd zombies. Plenty of railway cars around for storage, and again, with the maze they've built it'd be easy enough to channel people in somewhere, shut the door behind them, open the zombie channel, let them do their thing, then herd them back into their enclosure afterwards. Might also be how they've stockpiled weapons and don't mind wasting bullets on people who they don't see as quite as much of a threat by spraying to herd. If they're smart enough to construct Terminus they're smart enough to conserve ammo...unless conserving isn't a concern because they have other weapons/ways to deal with intruders and are confident in their zombie herding skills. Remember, it's not the first time we've seen zombies being trapped and used for entertainment/weapons...I look again to the governor's town. Also we saw how quickly/easily people were able to shut avenues of escape on Rick's group, and they were running. How difficult would it be to have a guy with a torch making noise leading zombies into a holding pen?
 
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NorCalAthlete said:
The "empty freeway lanes" trope has always bugged me. But maybe it's just because we're all motorcyclists and are always having to look for ways to avoid / filter through traffic anyway. I still wonder why they don't all ride bicycles. They're sticking to roads and trails anyway...it'd be easy enough to hop off, kill zombies, hop back on and jet.

Seems to me if they can herd people they can herd zombies. Plenty of railway cars around for storage, and again, with the maze they've built it'd be easy enough to channel people in somewhere, shut the door behind them, open the zombie channel, let them do their thing, then herd them back into their enclosure afterwards. Might also be how they've stockpiled weapons and don't mind wasting bullets on people who they don't see as quite as much of a threat by spraying to herd. If they're smart enough to construct Terminus they're smart enough to conserve ammo...unless conserving isn't a concern because they have other weapons/ways to deal with intruders and are confident in their zombie herding skills. Remember, it's not the first time we've seen zombies being trapped and used for entertainment/weapons...I look again to the governor's town. Also we saw how quickly/easily people were able to shut avenues of escape on Rick's group, and they were running. How difficult would it be to have a guy with a torch making noise leading zombies into a holding pen?
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then head 'em all into an industrial shredder made from an old farm combine or giant snow blower :)
 
I'm surprised they didn't realize they were being herded. Right when the shooting started, it was clear they weren't trying to kill them. They had the high ground and rifles, they could have dropped the whole group in seconds.

The lack of common sense this show displays is annoying at times, but I just try and enjoy it for what it is. As rev has said, the comics are a bit more consistent with character development/intelligence.
 
Speaking of herding zombies, am I the only one who wondered why no one's bothered to harness and chain up zombies for manual labor, like pulling plowshares or moving heavy material?
 
morthrane said:
Good catch... a honeypot trap might explain much of an episode that ended :wtf randomly. Except the horde of zombies... incidental? Or weapon used by the trapper?
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I totally think the kidnapper led that horde to Daryl and Beth, possibly even using the dog to 'herd' them.

There's still the wildcard of Carol and Tyrese. They seem to be behind the other groups, if I'm interpreting the timeline correctly. Maybe they are just behind the recently captured group and heard the commotion/gunfire as they approach terminus.
 
RightCoastBias said:
I'm surprised they didn't realize they were being herded. Right when the shooting started, it was clear they weren't trying to kill them. They had the high ground and rifles, they could have dropped the whole group in seconds.

The lack of common sense this show displays is annoying at times, but I just try and enjoy it for what it is. As rev has said, the comics are a bit more consistent with character development/intelligence.
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Common sense or not, they were running and being shot at. I think in that moment most people would just keep running thinking they're dodging the bullets.

Or would you just stop and ask what the deal was?
 
morthrane said:
Speaking of herding zombies, am I the only one who wondered why no one's bothered to harness and chain up zombies for manual labor, like pulling plowshares or moving heavy material?
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I think you'd have to get fresh ones. The older they get the spongier they seem to be, and when you lop off the bits necessary to make them non-agressive they just seem to lose all motivation.

I still think a community of tree houses is ideal. Camouflage d from humans and zombies have displayed no climbing ability
 
But if the zombies from Atlanta are the herds that are wandering, they'd know, or at least be able to teach the other zombies they came across how to climb in their traditional sharing of information and human flesh ceremony.
 
revnort said:
Well you are apparently safe now, because they forgot how and stopped climbing fences when they got to the prison...or maybe on zombies from Atlanta know how to climb?
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BTW, I hate to give away a secret from my zombie screenplay, but I have one group of survivors who are urban teens and wield no guns because like a lot of city kids, there are no gun stores and they have not been shown how to use or clean one.

So their hideout is in an abandoned construction site. They escape zombies by walking along the beams, so the zombies just trip and fall down to the bottom.
 
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auntiebling said:
I think you'd have to get fresh ones. The older they get the spongier they seem to be, and when you lop off the bits necessary to make them non-agressive they just seem to lose all motivation.

I still think a community of tree houses is ideal. Camouflage d from humans and zombies have displayed no climbing ability
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Whatever you say, Swiss Family Robinson :laughing
 
auntiebling said:
I still think a community of tree houses is ideal. Camouflage d from humans and zombies have displayed no climbing ability
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But they do have great "waiting ability" why not just sail away? They don't seem to be able to swim even though they can stay submerged for a long time.

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