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What will it take to convince you of climate change?

mrmarklin said:
A guy named Pilate asked a similar question around 2,000 years ago. But he never sought truth. Churchill had several very good quotes regarding it.

“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”


― Winston S. Churchill
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Well I hope one day you get to the point where you can stumble over a truth at least. :thumbup
 
Meter Man said:
This smoke is from lightning strikes, primarily. About 6 different large fires.
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Well call me selfish but I was specifically worrying about the danger my daughter and grandson are in, and that fire was started by a fucking asshole tossing a smoke bomb into a dry canyon.
But thanks for attempting to correct me.
 
mean dad said:
Well call me selfish but I was specifically worrying about the danger my daughter and grandson are in, and that fire was started by a fucking asshole tossing a smoke bomb into a dry canyon.
But thanks for attempting to correct me.
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Different fire.
 
mean dad said:
Well call me selfish but I was specifically worrying about the danger my daughter and grandson are in, and that fire was started by a fucking asshole tossing a smoke bomb into a dry canyon.
But thanks for attempting to correct me.
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I was sharing the smoke from my locale which is different than where your daughter lives and to commiserate with the miserable nature of this fire season.

I wasn't trying to tell you that the Oregon fires were caused by lightning. I can see why you would have read it differently.
 
The more I read, the more I'm glad I'm old and will be dead before the "cascade" occurs. Scientists who study extinction data are predicting that 2050 will be it. Past that point, when portions of the earth reach temps that human can no longer cool themselves through evaporation, mass migrations will so stress the social fabric that civilization as we know it now, will cease to exist. As the temps continue to climb and move towards areas of high population density in the northern hemisphere , the final war, fought for water, will crash the economic systems built around cheap food and labor, and that will be about it for humanity.
 
rsrider said:
The more I read, the more I'm glad I'm old and will be dead before the "cascade" occurs. Scientists who study extinction data are predicting that 2050 will be it. Past that point, when portions of the earth reach temps that human can no longer cool themselves through evaporation, mass migrations will so stress the social fabric that civilization as we know it now, will cease to exist. As the temps continue to climb and move towards areas of high population density in the northern hemisphere , the final war, fought for water, will crash the economic systems built around cheap food and labor, and that will be about it for humanity.
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:rolleyes but what about the economy?
 
rsrider said:
The more I read, the more I'm glad I'm old and will be dead before the "cascade" occurs. Scientists who study extinction data are predicting that 2050 will be it. Past that point, when portions of the earth reach temps that human can no longer cool themselves through evaporation, mass migrations will so stress the social fabric that civilization as we know it now, will cease to exist. As the temps continue to climb and move towards areas of high population density in the northern hemisphere , the final war, fought for water, will crash the economic systems built around cheap food and labor, and that will be about it for humanity.
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Do you actually believe that in 30 years humans will not be able to survive?
 
nbean16 said:
Do you actually believe that in 30 years humans will not be able to survive?
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Didn't say in 30 years it's the end, just the beginning of the end. The point where the domino's start to fall. Once certain areas start heating up to the point where humans, who are living there now, can no longer live there, they will begin a migration that can't be stopped and will overwhelm the shrinking habitable areas. As more areas heat up to the point where they become inhabitable, the stress on those areas that are still viable will become overwhelming. Who knows how long it take to get to the point where it becomes an extinction event, but the data is there from previous extinction events and the pattern is repeating with humanity now.
 
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rsrider said:
Didn't say in 30 years it's the end, just the beginning of the end. The point where the domino's start to fall. Once certain areas start heating up to the point where humans, who are living there now, can no longer live there, they will begin a migration that can't be stopped and will overwhelm the shrinking habitable areas. As more areas heat up to the point where they become inhabitable, the stress on those areas that are still viable will become overwhelming. Who knows how long it take to get to the point where it becomes an extinction event, but the data is there from previous extinction events and the pattern is repeating with humanity now.
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I think this is more likely a couple hundred years away.
 
rsrider said:
The more I read, the more I'm glad I'm old and will be dead before the "cascade" occurs. Scientists who study extinction data are predicting that 2050 will be it. Past that point, when portions of the earth reach temps that human can no longer cool themselves through evaporation, mass migrations will so stress the social fabric that civilization as we know it now, will cease to exist. As the temps continue to climb and move towards areas of high population density in the northern hemisphere , the final war, fought for water, will crash the economic systems built around cheap food and labor, and that will be about it for humanity.
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2050?

Please link me to the studies that predict that.
 
There aren't too many folks running around like Chicken Little, screaming about the end of the world. Most sane, rational people are concerned about rising sea levels in increases in frequency and intensity of tropical storms and other events. None of these will bring the extinction of mankind, but they are serious concerns and it would behoove us to do our best to address them.
 
Lunch Box said:
There aren't too many folks running around like Chicken Little, screaming about the end of the world. Most sane, rational people are concerned about rising sea levels in increases in frequency and intensity of tropical storms and other events. None of these will bring the extinction of mankind, but they are serious concerns and it would behoove us to do our best to address them.
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Maybe, maybe not. Consider pestilence. We are at the end of humankind's ability to use antibiotics. Combine this with massive ecosystem changes, including destruction of human habitats. Combine this with the ability of bacteria to adapt far faster than any other forms of life.

If we were smart, we'd be getting ready for any and all consequences of the Anthropocene.
 
CoorsLight said:
Maybe, maybe not. Consider pestilence. We are at the end of humankind's ability to use antibiotics. Combine this with massive ecosystem changes, including destruction of human habitats. Combine this with the ability of bacteria to adapt far faster than any other forms of life.

If we were smart, we'd be getting ready for any and all consequences of the Anthropocene.
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this is more my concern, we seem to be headed toward a place in time where climate change, over use of chemicals and arrogance in our ability to tech ourselves out of a problem could create a situation that could kill off a significant portion of humanity and make existence for those left almost untenable.

Imagine crop failures due to GMO crops tweaked for one pest but a rise in a couple of degrees temperature makes the conditions ideal for another pest that the crop isn't resistant to. Then the worlds fisheries start failing due to sea temperature change: throw in a super bug that's resistant to our meds moving through populations that are weakened by hunger and crammed together in decreasing livable areas.
 
teg916 said:
Remember. We couldn't predict that hurricane Irma was going to hit on the West coast of Florida. Yet somehow we can predict the global temperature and mass extinction 100 years from now?

Yes global temps are rising, but I don't buy the hype that the world is going to end.
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Apples and fucking bananas.
 
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