What would you want Yamaha to do for a new YZF-R6?

[Frame Maker]

if this is just a fantasy question, then... 600cc V-4 2-stroke.

 

[ScarySpikes]

Make 600's relevant again? Honestly at this point most of the 600 class bikes are a lot older then the liter bikes, cost almost as much, aren't too much lighter then the newer liter bikes, and with things like rider modes the bigger models don't seem as bad to deal with every day in terms of power.

Honestly, I'd like them to grab the engines from the FZ-07/FZ-09, push the power and rev limit up a bit, wrap them up with nice suspension, full fairings, clipons, ect, and keep the price under 8k/10k respectively. I would be much more likely to buy that then a likely 12k+ all new model, because honestly at that point I'd prefer a new from last year R1.

Isn't the reason that the 600cc range has been so stagnant that companies can't make any money off of them even if they sell well because the cost of production is basically the same as the full fat literbikes?

 

[budman]

I like the 2 stroke fantasy.

Since I had one choice only it was for tiered models.

A lot of the other options hit my beltway as far as desire I would have had if I was in the 600 market. Pretty amazing to think f the R6 as old tech considering how dominant it has been on the track.

The tiered option may end up with one being a better street bike.
It is currently damn hard edged and I think that is holding more people back than the fact that an R1 is not that much more.

Oh lighter is always better.

 

[nebulous]

2 models:

R6R more hp, less weight, active suspension.
R6S same look and frame, awesome low and midrange torque, slightly relaxed riding position.

oh and either for the cost of my first 600, $4999 otd.

 

[G.R.]

No, the standard FZ6 had/has mediocre suspension/ handling, and almost no wind protection.

I am talking about making a 600cc sport tour mc . with Fairings and a Wind Screen that actually work in the real world, not in a wind tunnel with no rider on it.

I only see the Honda VFR available at this time , and even it could use a little wider fairing, and better wind screen, in fact many people buy an aftermarket windscreen for the VFR to make it better.

So basically bring back the FZ6?

 

[KazMan]

if this is just a fantasy question, then... 600cc V-4 2-stroke.

Oh man, and with FI a solution for 2 stroke technology....

Anyway, it is still amazing to me how long this platform has stayed pretty much the same with the exception of meeting EPA standards for emissions and noise each year. I think several of you are correct when saying, make a 600 relevant again, but also true is that it doesn't cost that much less to make a 600 vs a 1000.

I think Yamaha has some great momentum right now across their lineup, but am curious as to why the 600 hasn't been updated the last couple of years. I know racing wise, they haven't needed to really, but for the General Market, you can't let all that momentum slip away!

I personally think it will be a triple to take advantage of weight and cc's for HP reasons, but I could easily talk myself out of that and stick with a I4 and do more with the chassis/suspension. but know Yamaha has to do something soon.

 

[G.R.]

600cc is very relevant from a insurance cost stand point.

Add to that it would be classified as a Standard, or Sport Tour Bike and then the costs will be down even more as well.

In my case, my bike cost me around $ 3,000 less in insurance costs than a GSXR750 or a R1 over the 4.5 years I have owned it ,

( yes that is right Three Thousand Dollars in a 4-5 year time span )

Just think what you can do with $ 3,000 , all the suspension work, and performance parts, vacations, gas, etc. that you can buy with that !

Make 600's relevant again? Honestly at this point most of the 600 class bikes are a lot older then the liter bikes, cost almost as much, aren't too much lighter then the newer liter bikes, and with things like rider modes the bigger models don't seem as bad to deal with every day in terms of power.

Honestly, I'd like them to grab the engines from the FZ-07/FZ-09, push the power and rev limit up a bit, wrap them up with nice suspension, full fairings, clipons, ect, and keep the price under 8k/10k respectively. I would be much more likely to buy that then a likely 12k+ all new model, because honestly at that point I'd prefer a new from last year R1.

Isn't the reason that the 600cc range has been so stagnant that companies can't make any money off of them even if they sell well because the cost of production is basically the same as the full fat literbikes?

 

[kpke]

Fantasy Bro Frame Maker?

Not quite 600cc but you get the "picture".

(Yes, I like posting pics of my little grocery getter )

if this is just a fantasy question, then... 600cc V-4 2-stroke.

 

[kpke]

Oh and the other fantasy color

(this may not show up, I'll fix it later if not)

 

[aminalmutha]

Fuck three cylinders, make a six cylinder with a 20,000 rpm redline. Big piston forks, high and low speed damping, front and rear. Stiffer fork and shock springs, adjustable steering head and swingarm pivot. Quick change rear wheel. Fairings with Dzus fasteners, unpluggable lights all around, quick detatch mirrors. Seamless tranny. arty

 

[KazMan]

Fuck three cylinders, make a six cylinder with a 20,000 rpm redline. Big piston forks, high and low speed damping, front and rear. Stiffer fork and shock springs, adjustable steering head and swingarm pivot. Quick change rear wheel. Fairings with Dzus fasteners, unpluggable lights all around, quick detatch mirrors. Seamless tranny. arty

Why only a quick change rear wheel? Not front as well?

 

[Frame Maker]

Oh and the other fantasy color

(this may not show up, I'll fix it later if not)

Oh ya, I know what you mean.... in the correct Yamaha colors...

by the way, why do I feel like I'm being followed

 

[ScarySpikes]

600cc is very relevant from a insurance cost stand point.

Add to that it would be classified as a Standard, or Sport Tour Bike and then the costs will be down even more as well.

In my case, my bike cost me around $ 3,000 less in insurance costs than a GSXR750 or a R1 over the 4.5 years I have owned it ,

( yes that is right Three Thousand Dollars in a 4-5 year time span )

Just think what you can do with $ 3,000 , all the suspension work, and performance parts, vacations, gas, etc. that you can buy with that !

I get that. I'm just saying if they shared engine and frame with the FZ bikes and and swapped out parts like the suspension, a modest engine tune for higher revs and more power, added fairings, ect. They could probably keep all of the costs involved, insurance as well as maintenance and out the door costs, way down.

What I'm saying is I think it would be nice to have a sport bike style faired motorcycle from Yamaha that they can afford to update every 5 years or so instead of a bike that is so expensive in terms of R&D that they can only do the R&D on 10+ year increments, and the most likely way to do that without jacking the price up is to share parts from other platforms.

 

[aminalmutha]

Why only a quick change rear wheel? Not front as well?

Front is easy as shit already, rear wears out 2x as fast.

 

[G.R.]

Yes now you are talking, A FZ6 with full sport , Touring fairings, and better suspension, allot of us want that, you are also right on regarding the power engine tuning as well.

I let someone with a 2007 FZ6 ride my 02 Carburetor ZX6R ( ZX600 J3 ) while I rode his 07 FZ6
After the ride I asked him how he liked my bike, and he had a big smile on his face and was very enthusiastic when he said he liked it very much.

I am glad he did not ask me what I thought of the FZ6.

His bike newer by 5 years, injected , looks a little more modern, would seem better on paper, but yet disappointing .
The FZ6 is very much in need of more power full engine and better suspension.

Now if only the Bike Manufactures would build us a bike many of us want.
A more street ride able Sport bike, with Fairings and Wind Screen that acually direct the wind over and around us !

My bike has more than enough power for the street. 92 mph in second gear once , and was still a couple of thousand rpm's under redline.
So it is possible to have a 600cc bike , even for touring.

I get that. I'm just saying if they shared engine and frame with the FZ bikes and and swapped out parts like the suspension, a modest engine tune for higher revs and more power, added fairings, ect. They could probably keep all of the costs involved, insurance as well as maintenance and out the door costs, way down.

What I'm saying is I think it would be nice to have a sport bike style faired motorcycle from Yamaha that they can afford to update every 5 years or so instead of a bike that is so expensive in terms of R&D that they can only do the R&D on 10+ year increments, and the most likely way to do that without jacking the price up is to share parts from other platforms.

 

[SonoraMike]

Front is easy as shit already, rear wears out 2x as fast.

and rear is a royal pain in the ass to get lined up with spacers, sprocket carrier, caliper mount, axle, open the pads, 2x4 to lift the wheel up to the right height with your toes, grow a 3rd arm to push the axle in, gain new language to swear at the damn assy each time.

with all the other advances you'd think that by now they'd have the ability to come up with an attachment scheme to get a rear on easily.

and +eleventy-seven for a FI 600 two stroke, and in the correct yellow/black colors. I'd have checkbook out and at the ready so fast...

 

[aminalmutha]

Bingo. Quick change rear would be awesome. Why bother with a quick change front? Way more easier.

A modern RC166-esque 600cc I6 would be super bitchin'.

Screw this making it more streetable crap. There are shit piles of bikes that are "streetable". Make it special. All the cool shit, ALL OF IT. arty

 

[SonoraMike]

Screw this making it more streetable crap. There are shit piles of bikes that are "streetable". Make it special. All the cool shit, ALL OF IT. arty

 

[Smash Allen]

With Triumph dropping the Daytona there are no other sport triples so there's no reason for Yamaha to make a 600cc sport triple.

No reason for Yamaha to make a 600cc street faired I4, look at FJ-09 if you want or soon to be released adventure-based FZ-07.

Watch for the electronics package with the IMU and styling similar to 15+ R1, that's your refreshed and updated YZF-R6.

 

[Ralph Herl]

Prefer to see them bring out a WR450R, thanks.