Kornholio said this and Kegels are all the exercises you'll ever need. Is that true?
Where the hell did I say that?
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Why do you hate going to the gym?
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Where the hell did I say that?
Ol' Gravy Leg
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Where the hell did I say that?
I was only poking fun at your gyms are unnecessary stance.
Not all my posts are gems.
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I'm betting most people you ask that question to are not looking to climb Mt Everest.
You could probably gauge fairly accurately where they are with their current fitness level just by looking and I think any level of improvement they'd be happy with.
Has the topic of personal trainers come up yet? What a waste of $$$. I see these people putting newbies through routines that would take them a week to recover from. One idiot at the local gym instructed an old lady to do bent over rows. The old broad injured her shoulder so bad she needed surgery.
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Renaissance club Sport is a nice gym…and you might pick up some clients. Certainly part of your marketing budget...
catch2otwo
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They're not...unless you want to get big. Just my opinion.
Or get stronger...realistically
MrIncredible
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Where the hell did I say that?
Right after you said you'd like to get a pet tarantula to spice up your relationship.
catch2otwo
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theres always good and bad. Its like saying all moto mechanics knuckleheads cause one screwed up your bike...
Keep an open mind, with a little research, a good gym with the right crew can get you great results.
TheBoatDude
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I'd reckon for some folks, the nut of it is here:
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At least, partially. I know there are people that work out to become better at other activities (sports, their job, etc..) Not sure about others, but vanity is a big driver for me to work out. True, I like being healthy, but if I didn't look better as a function of exercising, I wouldn't do it.
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Same difference to me. I "got stronger" without going to a gym and just doing push ups and pull ups. YMMV.
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Im sure there are some good ones but if a person needs someone to show them how to exercise they'd have to be in seriously bad shape and maybe should just start with walking. The goals cant be very lofty when they don't even know where to start.
They'd likely get better bank for their buck by just buying an exercise video or a Joe Weider train guide.
catch2otwo
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Same difference to me. I "got stronger" without going to a gym and just doing push ups and pull ups. YMMV.
Your idea of strength and mine vary by a wide margin. There is no way I'd be able to pick up the things I do by doing push ups and pull ups. no need for any leg strength? how about core strength to prevent back injuries? There is alot that goes into being "strong."
As I said before, pick the plan that will help you achieve your goals. To say you dont need a gym and you will get strong by doing push ups and pull ups is a little too general. but hey, like you said, ymmv.
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catch2otwo
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Well of course it is entirely possible to do stuff without a gym, hell I bet even the weakest most malnourished slave hundreds of years ago was stronger then johnny cubicle of today cause thats all he did was lift shit and that was in a world without gyms. Im with you on the point that yes, there is plenty of stuff outside a "gym" that you can do to up your physical health.
My point is, sometimes the right gym will have the right equipment to help you get to where you want. Im def not stashing 500lb tires at my place thats for sure.
While I was probably the strongest I ever have been while in the military, the problem was that it wasn't balanced and was really inviting injury. Being able to use the equipment at a gym with proper form has allowed me to focus on deficient areas of muscle groups and build a more stable and sustainable strength.
When I was racing mountain bikes I could do all kinds of endurance, interval, and sprint work outs, but at the end of the season my joints were hurting and my muscles were failing. When I started using the gym to balance my muscle build, I was in much better condition at the end of the season.
but now I'm all flubber from a couple years of inactivity due to some uncontrollable events. I thought I was getting a bit better after a couple months of working out, but a couple rounds of bumper cars at an amusement park reminded me that my latest injury wasn't quite back to par.
When I was racing mountain bikes I could do all kinds of endurance, interval, and sprint work outs, but at the end of the season my joints were hurting and my muscles were failing. When I started using the gym to balance my muscle build, I was in much better condition at the end of the season.
but now I'm all flubber from a couple years of inactivity due to some uncontrollable events. I thought I was getting a bit better after a couple months of working out, but a couple rounds of bumper cars at an amusement park reminded me that my latest injury wasn't quite back to par.
morthrane
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I'm struggling to think of any (expensive) gym equipment exercises that can't be duplicated by simple free weights or creative environmental usage-- stairs come to mind.
Can you elaborate? IME, machine equipment invariably makes exercises easier, eliminating the need to worry about balance or form. It is like the difference between using a leg press machine and doing a freeweight squat-- the latter is potentially dangerous with bad form, but yields better results for work done.
Here's a simple one- leg extension. Doing squats, riding a bike, and running all tend to accentuate certain muscles in the quad over others leading to an imbalance and irritation of the cartilage at the back of the patella. typically the one on the inside by the knee is weaker, and the band that runs up the side of the leg gets stressed and can be damaged (IT band injury). On a leg extension machine you can focus on certain muscles more based upon the low and high angle on the extension and by pointing your foot inside, vertical, or to the outside.
free-weights can help with fine motor control to balance the weight and or your body, but by focusing with the control of a machine, specific bands can be more effectively activated to help balance out the strength in muscle groups.
As for your example, leg press can give you all the benefits to leg strength that squats can without the risks of damage to your knees and back. The lack of strength typically comes from people who don't have the training to focus strength and use proper form on the machine. People that tend to do squats are more likely to have proper form from training and thus get better results. When I was in racing form, I could actually get better gains from a machine because I knew how to use it properly, and did not have the additional stresses on other parts of my body that both burn your glycogen stores and risk injury. I also understood the importance of muscle control and balance as well as power, so even on machines I tended to do most exercises one leg at a time.
Racing single speed required alot of additional training in the gym to stay healthy given the torque required on the steep climbs. Poor form or unbalanced muscles would leave you with knee and back injuries within weeks, if not on a single ride. At top form I was snapping dura-ace chains if I didn't get a good circular spin on the start of a sprint, I was flexing the wheels hard enough where the rim on the road bike was bouncing off the brakes, and the tires on my mountain bikes would grind the chainstays.
catch2otwo
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Like I said, its all about what your goals are. Sure you can go on Craigslist and buy yourself some free weights and climb your front steps for an hour to stay "in shape".
To give you an example, non of the equipment I use at the gym is expensive. But I frequently use bumper plates (cleans, deadlifts etc), concrete stones, big tires, free weights, elastic bands, chains, medicine balls, and barbells. Could I go out and buy all that? Ya, in fact some of it you can get it for free. But I do not have space for it.
I'll say it again, pick the facility that will help you achieve your goals, whether that be your backyard or a gym. I would not be at my current strength level with some free weights and a set of stairs in a backyard.
Dr. Evil
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Bullshit. Exercising groups of muscles rather than training specific movements is the fastest way I know to cause the sorts of problems that you claim machines will solve. Isolation is something for bodybuilders and people in need of profound rehab. Everyone else needs to train movement patterns, and the proper muscle strength proportions will occur naturally.