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Will EBMUD (and other water districts) lower their rates now that we're not in drought..

afm199 said:
Energy production will decline to a minor fraction, commercial production of pesticides and fertilizers, and plastics, will virtually end, and commerce will collapse with the banking system. The wholesale degradation of the earth that is currently happening needs the modern banking system and economical distribution to function. You can't reverse the massive ecological damage done. It's done. The Ca water table is not going to regenerate. The millions of acres of forest and grasses that were destroyed over the last two hundred years in the US aren't going to magically reappear. Micro and Macro ecological systems are incredibly stupendously fragile, and when they collapse, something else happens, and it seldom is pretty, it is just the next predator having a moment of glory. Russian thistles, sagebrush, Pampas Grass, you can see two of those coming into prominence along the coast every day. They are taking over ecosystems that occurred over much longer periods.





This! Humans are end game predators. They are amazingly adaptive but not smart. We'll kick ass until the world collapses, and when it does........
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The question is, are we smarter than bacteria?


https://oneinabillionblog.com/2013/05/10/are-humans-smarter-than-bacteria/
 
Greed is much more dominant characteristic over intelligence.
Just 100 years from now its gonna be real ugly.
 
bpw said:
Aside from giant lawns, how are people racking up multi-hundred dollar EBMUD bills? We pay zero attention to saving water and still somehow use a fraction of the average consumer.
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I dont get it either, we have a veggie garden and a kid. Our water bill seldomly goes north of 60 bucks
 
mrmarklin said:
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl::rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:laughing
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Serious question man. Do you ever actually have anything worth saying? It seems like all you do is either post crap like this, or "bullshit" or some other completely worthless, yet divisive comment that has no merit, quality, or evidence to back it up. Your opinion is valuable, why waste it like you do? You seem like a miserable person.
 
Brokenlink said:
Serious question man. Do you ever actually have anything worth saying? It seems like all you do is either post crap like this, or "bullshit" or some other completely worthless, yet divisive comment that has no merit, quality, or evidence to back it up. Your opinion is valuable, why waste it like you do? You seem like a miserable person.
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I think the consensus of this thread backs me up.

Over the last eight or so years the voters have passed water measures to smooth out drought. How many dams have been built as a result of this? Look it up. :rofl
 
mrmarklin said:
I think the consensus of this thread backs me up.

Over the last eight or so years the voters have passed water measures to smooth out drought. How many dams have been built as a result of this? Look it up. :rofl
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OK, let's roll with that assertion. Provide a list to backup your claim.
 
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mrmarklin said:
I think the consensus of this thread backs me up.

Over the last eight or so years the voters have passed water measures to smooth out drought. How many dams have been built as a result of this? Look it up. :rofl
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Dams are not really the answer. Conservation is a much better solution. How big is your lawn?
 
Brokenlink said:
Dams are not really the answer. Conservation is a much better solution. How big is your lawn?
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This. You can suck blood out of a body for a long time, but eventually it turns into a corpse.

Damming rivers and halting flows always has long term negative effects. In the Delta and Bay, one of them is increased salinity and thus alteration of the entire ecosystem. Any river that is dammed has a long waterway that depends on the flow of water to maintain the ecosystem, supply ground water, and thus ensure that the surrounding area remains healthy.

When you take that water away, only negative things happen.

I'm sure some know this. Once upon a time, little more than 150 years ago, the SF Bay/Delta was the world's largest Salmon population. They pulled out millions of pounds every year, and in less than twenty years, the Salmon population was gone. Anyone notice it coming back? Yes, there are actually still Salmon out there. Not even remotely a population like the one from the 1850s. Ditto Sardines in Monterey Bay. Humans have a unique way of destroying things. They just breed like rats.
 
afm199 said:
This. You can suck blood out of a body for a long time, but eventually it turns into a corpse.

Damming rivers and halting flows always has long term negative effects. In the Delta and Bay, one of them is increased salinity and thus alteration of the entire ecosystem. Any river that is dammed has a long waterway that depends on the flow of water to maintain the ecosystem, supply ground water, and thus ensure that the surrounding area remains healthy.

When you take that water away, only negative things happen.

I'm sure some know this. Once upon a time, little more than 150 years ago, the SF Bay/Delta was the world's largest Salmon population. They pulled out millions of pounds every year, and in less than twenty years, the Salmon population was gone. Anyone notice it coming back? Yes, there are actually still Salmon out there. Not even remotely a population like the one from the 1850s. Ditto Sardines in Monterey Bay. Humans have a unique way of destroying things. They just breed like rats.
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Thanks Ernie, I just don't have it in me. Also keep in mind sediment transport stops at the dam, both immediately starting to reduce capacity as well as keeping spawning gravels from moving downstream (in addition to changing the geomorphology and causing erosion, etc, etc, etc.
 
Brokenlink said:
Thanks Ernie, I just don't have it in me. Also keep in mind sediment transport stops at the dam, both immediately starting to reduce capacity as well as keeping spawning gravels from moving downstream (in addition to changing the geomorphology and causing erosion, etc, etc, etc.
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afm199 said:
This. You can suck blood out of a body for a long time, but eventually it turns into a corpse.

Damming rivers and halting flows always has long term negative effects. In the Delta and Bay, one of them is increased salinity and thus alteration of the entire ecosystem. Any river that is dammed has a long waterway that depends on the flow of water to maintain the ecosystem, supply ground water, and thus ensure that the surrounding area remains healthy.

When you take that water away, only negative things happen.

I'm sure some know this. Once upon a time, little more than 150 years ago, the SF Bay/Delta was the world's largest Salmon population. They pulled out millions of pounds every year, and in less than twenty years, the Salmon population was gone. Anyone notice it coming back? Yes, there are actually still Salmon out there. Not even remotely a population like the one from the 1850s. Ditto Sardines in Monterey Bay. Humans have a unique way of destroying things. They just breed like rats.
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:thumbup
 
UDRider said:
OK, let's roll with that assertion. Provide a list to backup your claim.
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No new dams have been built since the 70s. No list of dams not built.
There are some in the proposal stage. Let’s see how far that goes.

Conservation is as good as far as it goes. But dams have a lot of benefits. And the reality is that in a drought conservation can only go so far.

Maybe desalination is our best solution for what is an ongoing problem.
 
mrmarklin said:
No new dams have been built since the 70s. No list of dams not built.
There are some in the proposal stage. Let’s see how far that goes.

Conservation is as good as far as it goes. But dams have a lot of benefits. And the reality is that in a drought conservation can only go so far.

Maybe desalination is our best solution for what is an ongoing problem.
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Please list the pros and cons of dams.

Please list how you use 100 gallons of water a day. ( Probably a typical Bay Area user).

DeSal works great. If you have the money and some place to dump the brine. Unfortunately we have neither. There are huge problems with desal. The problem in Ca is not water, it's people.
 
Without dams to collect and redirect water flow--including the Hetch Hetchy dam--the Bay Area as we know it would not exist. The area does not get remotely enough rainfall to support the needs of its 8 million residents.

San Luis Obispo and Monterey Counties, with no external water sources, have a combined land area and rainfall roughly equal to the 9 counties on the Bay, but one-tenth the population.
 
mrmarklin said:
No new dams have been built since the 70s. No list of dams not built.
There are some in the proposal stage. Let’s see how far that goes.

Conservation is as good as far as it goes. But dams have a lot of benefits. And the reality is that in a drought conservation can only go so far.

Maybe desalination is our best solution for what is an ongoing problem.
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First off, you are wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_California

But since you will not likely read the link, I'll summarize:

1981: Sugar Pine Reservoir, Placer County
1982: Lake Sonoma, Sonoma County
1982: Lake Calero, Sacramento County
1986: Balsam Forebay, Fresno County
1988: Lake Ramona, San Diego County
1989: New Spicer Meadow Reservoir: Tuomone and Alpine Counties
1989: McKay's Point Reservoir, Calaveras County
1994: Jamestown Mines Tailings Dam, Tuolomne County
1999: Seven Oaks Reservoir, San Bernardino County
1999: Diamond Valley Lake, Riverside County
2003: Olivehain Reservoir, San Diego County
2012: Los Vaqueros expansion, Contra Costa County

These total 1,738,488 acre feet of capacity, which is over 1/4 of the size of Lake Shasta. In addition, Sites reservoir is moving forward, which will have a capacity of 1,810,000 acre feet.

Regarding the whole "dams have benefits", want to expand on that please?

Your argument is lacking in substance. try adding some facts to support your allegations.
 
How much damage was done to our waterways by hydraulic mining during the gold rush?
 
you're really including things like mine tailings damns when we're talking about drinking water? :rolleyes
 
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