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ZX14 or Hayabusa?

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BEN-ZX-14 said:
Oh, and as for the 14 or Busa being a one way ticket to the meat locker, that is stupid. If you are inexperianced enough with out enough common sence to relize how dangerous a street bike is you will probably kill yourself on anything you ride. shitty speller sorry.
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Well, this is the whole idea behind getting a 250/500/SV650. I survived loads of dumbass moments and mistakes because my bike had little power, poor brakes, and was light and forgiving. Because you can't do 0-60 in under 4 seconds on a 250, i didn't get into too much straight line trouble. Because the brakes were pretty feeble, despite my noobish stabs at them, i don't think i ever locked the front tire. For all my showboating and fucking around with the clutch and shit, i only wheelied it once.

A 250 gives you the chance to make those mistakes without the painful possibility of dying as a result of it...many things that new riders will do will spit them off literbikes or even 600's, whereas the 250 will shrug it off and keep going.
 
BEN-ZX-14 said:
17k on the XX and now 10k on the 14 i have never put a scratch on a street bike. Probably becouse i crash so often on my birt bike.
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So how much dirt riding experience do you have? See, many people come out and say "Oh my first bike was a liter+ bike" but very few of them reference the fact that almost all of them have had prior experience riding a motorcycle on the dirt, and most of them have had loads of it. Implying that a new rider can go directly to a 160+hp streetbike with absolutely no experience on motorcycles at all is doing them a bit of a disservice.

If you've ridden dirt regularly since you were young, you don't fall under the catagory of "new rider". You fall under the catagory of "dirt rider going to the street". To refer to yourself as a new rider when you have offroad experence and a fair amount of it is pretty misleading.
 
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I have about 14 years of off road racing and motocross. Before my last crash i was racing expert off road and intermediate MX. I might have missed some important details of the conversation before i joined in. I had tons of dirt bike experiance, but my first street bike was the rocket ship at the time "Blackbird". If he has zero experience then dont get the heaviest bike you can get. Get something cheap and light that you dont might scratching and you can lift off of you. I have ruined many dirt bikes and a couple dozen bones.

Sorry guys if i jumped on the defence of the 14 to quick.
 
I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon. Like you say, "ride what you want and I'll ride what I want."

That said, if you do crash and total that bike, I'll be at your doorstep waiting for you to pay for the increase to my insurance.
 
BEN-ZX-14 said:
I have about 14 years of off road racing and motocross. Before my last crash i was racing expert off road and intermediate MX. I might have missed some important details of the conversation before i joined in. I had tons of dirt bike experiance, but my first street bike was the rocket ship at the time "Blackbird". If he has zero experience then dont get the heaviest bike you can get. Get something cheap and light that you dont might scratching and you can lift off of you. I have ruined many dirt bikes and a couple dozen bones.

Sorry guys if i jumped on the defence of the 14 to quick.
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Well, i was more curious as to if you were one of those select few who has started on a bike that's as big as or bigger than a 750 and came out of it ok.

It's not really the bike that's the problem, it's the person who wants to ride it. As i was saying, the whole issue here is that a ZX14 or a Hayabusa is incredibly inappropriate as a first bike. Someone with extensive dirt experience and some restraint can get away with riding a literbike, but someone who's first ride is a ZX14 or a Hayabusa is heavily stacking the odds against themselves.

Just was looking for a little more clarity from your posts :) :thumbup
 
Hayabusa or ZX-14

:dunno

get one that is the most comfortable, fit well for your kind of riding and needs, the maintenance schedule is something you can deal with, whichever looks the better of the 2 in your eyes, can you deal with the potential of going through tires frequently, which has more aftermarket stuff for what you are going to do ( heli bars, corbin seats, luggage rack) etc...

they're all so good these days that you can't go wrong with any bikes anymore...
 
You got me. I knew how to ride, but not on the street. Dont waste 11.5k on a beautiful 14 becouse you will crash the first two bikes atleast. Only the individual knows if he is a dumbass. If your that dumb ass to ride above your skill level, i hope you survive "the big one". (for the nascar fans)
 
When most people buy a bike , especialy a first bike they buy what they WANT, not what they NEED.

Simple as that.

He asked a question what bike to buy, didn't get an answer that he would like.

Maybe when he get an insurance quote he'll think twice before buying.
I think this thread is done.
 
RRR70 said:
When most people buy a bike , especialy a first bike they buy what they WANT, not what they NEED.

Simple as that.
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I was going to comment on something similar to this, actually:

Half the problem with the modern bike industry is that bikes are too cheap! For 11k, less than you can buy a craptastic econobox for, and in a place that's open and accessable to anyone, you can buy what amounts to a race or a dragbike!

Thankfully, in my case, when i started riding, i had no money, so i bought a ninja 250. Best thing ever. If i were coming into this as a 32 year old, with a good amount of money, fuck yeah i'd be going and buying a 'busa, and fuck anyone who told me otherwise. I can handle it, i'm a big boy, fuck all you posers.

Sadly, this is the same reason that 90% of porches, ferraris, bugattis, etc. are driven by total fucking retards. Fuck anyone who says they can't drive a sports car, they know what the fuck they're doing. Never mind the stalling and that the clutch doesn't feel right and that odd fucking smell coming from the gearbox, and why's the ride so damn bumpy...they know how to drive, god damnit, and they've got enough money that it doesn't matter.

Sadly, or happily, the porches and ferraris of the world are much kinder mistresses, and most of the time they just get punted around and stalled and their clutches destroyed by clueless operators and people don't typically die.

Motorcycles are not quite as nice.

On the flip side, we have people like the OP to thank for keeping our sport alive...he will spend enough money walking into that store to make any reasonable knowledgable rider wince, and he will crash his bike and single handedly help fund companies out there. If it weren't for people like him, we wouldn't have spares, wouldn't have nearly as much aftermarket, wouldn't have any real support at all beyond race specific stuff!

So thanks for keeping our sport going, but do try to stay around for awhile, we like you and the money you bring ;)
 
msteinberg said:
I want to thank the few individuals who provided constructive feedback to my actual question.

To everyone else -- all I wanted was feedback on two motorcycles and I ended up being badgered with name calling to people betting on my demise. I think that is completely inappropriate and those who did it should be ashamed of themselves. You ride what you want to ride, and I'll ride what I want to ride.

Michael
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So, how much riding experience do you have, anyway? Did anyone ever let you ride a Busa? For that matter, what makes/models of bikes have you ridden?

It is far more inappropriate for a new rider to get a Busa, than it is for me to bet on their demise. You bet what you want, I'll bet what I want.
 
well it doesnt seem like you're going to change your mind
about getting either of those bikes
all i can say is IF you don not come to your senses
pleeeaaase by ALL the safety gear head to toe

and if you have any kids or wife....
get some life insurance
and at least the idea of less
powerful bike

thats not me bashing you
that me looking out for another life:x
 
Come on guys we all know a high powered lawyer needs a high powered bike, and after he made a poor choice for a first bike and he was made fun of,now he won't tell us how much riding he's done, cause he knows when he tells us he's only ridden around the block on a friends bike, he will get more ridicule. But really he does have a point he didn't ask anyone if a busa was good choice for a first bike and he is an adult.
 
If you want to reach new oceans, you first have to get comfortable with losing sight of the shore. But...........










....you also better have a decent boat, knowledge about sailing and a life jacket.

:twofinger
 
gixxerboy55 said:
Come on guys we all know a high powered lawyer needs a high powered bike, and after he made a poor choice for a first bike and he was made fun of,now he won't tell us how much riding he's done, cause he knows when he tells us he's only ridden around the block on a friends bike, he will get more ridicule. But really he does have a point he didn't ask anyone if a busa was good choice for a first bike and he is an adult.
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:laughing

In around about way, he did ask for it, though. It would be irresponsible not to tell him that he is making a poor decision. Had he not mentioned the fact that he just got his license, then it would have been a different story. But "I just got my M1" and "Hayabusa" in the same post is asking for advice. Like a cry for help. His inner self is crying out, "Please help me!"

Perhaps some of us took it a bit far, but since he gets butthurt about our comments, I really wonder how he'll handle crashing. Much better to get laughed at now, then mourned over later, no?
 
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this will help you on your way.:teeth:teethjust add the Busa and you will be ready to roll.
 
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