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Did they go too far with this building in NY?

I was all over Manhattan a couple of weeks ago

Thinking about all the old buildings, the architecture, some over 200 years old, the immensity and density, mixing the old and the new, and then thinking about the city UNDER the city, the subways and basements, steam and sounds coming up from under the sidewalk vents, all at sea level, or below, battling back the ocean., housing and hosting millions of people every day.

Amazing place.
Amazing that all that stands together all these years.
 
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Eldritch said:
The steel beams in the photo look really rusted out. Could be a problem with not enough DT analysis to engineer suitable shoring.
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Shouldn't all of that been addressed with the plans submitted to the approval board before they could start construction?
 
I would almost guarantee there was a meeting with engineers at one point where it was asked, "Do we really need all that safety margin? You can't take a little out, what you have here doesn't work with the project budget."
 
Click once and the prompts swarm all over me.

A recent rabbit hole for me is filled with pancaked high rise buildings that have recently tumbled. Argentina, for sure, but China, South Florida and Central Florida, your San Fran and the Pacific rim of fire.

Now Etna has gone active again.

It's 'End Times' I tell you, End Times. Execute that bucket list NOW! That's what I'm doing, again.
 
Climber said:
Shouldn't all of that been addressed with the plans submitted to the approval board before they could start construction?
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No, not typically. They will review your finished structure, but usually not the means of construction.
 
Being a provincial rat, I've never even lived in a two story house. I have no desire to live in one of those mega-boxes. I'll take a shotgun shack on a creek anytime.
 
Eldritch said:
No, not typically. They will review your finished structure, but usually not the means of construction.
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I thought you have to get approval of changes, basically the plans, before you are allowed to make the changes.
Isn't it the approval board's responsibility to assure that a building isn't going to fall down and kill people before it's modified in a major way?
 
Climber said:
I thought you have to get approval of changes, basically the plans, before you are allowed to make the changes.
Isn't it the approval board's responsibility to assure that a building isn't going to fall down and kill people before it's modified in a major way?
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Nor really. That's what the stamp from the structural PE is supposed to cover. Whoever stamped these plans has been going through a lot of underpants this week
 
auntiebling said:
Nor really. That's what the stamp from the structural PE is supposed to cover. Whoever stamped these plans has been going through a lot of underpants this week
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That was what I was partially getting at. The approval board would look for that stamp and should take a look at the plans to see if there is anything glaring, but I'm sure they'd trust the PE to have done a more thorough analysis.

His/her stamp/signature shouldn't mean shit anymore.
 
dmfdmf said:
Could be, we will have to wait and see. The HR walkway collapse was due to a unreviewed or cursory reviewed construction mod to the walkway hangers.
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indeed....remains to be seen if there was a deviation from the original plans that will turn up in NY too, or if it was an engineering miscalculation.
 
Climber said:
I thought you have to get approval of changes, basically the plans, before you are allowed to make the changes.
Isn't it the approval board's responsibility to assure that a building isn't going to fall down and kill people before it's modified in a major way?
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Typically, yes, but this construction was not complete. Blueprints do not typically show the phases, they show what the permanent building will look like when complete. What they are built of, all the structural calcs, etc. The means of construction is usually left to the contractor who puts his license and insurance at risk, and the project owner, who has general liability for paying to do the thing.
 
The Four Seasons hotel at 101 and University has issues with the foundation sinking. Held up construction for years
 
After all those car rebuilding shows, torching springs to lower, cut & weld suspension brackets,
Making room for a big V8, , ,

We NEED unfinished housing, it has to be cheaper than licensed, inspected, and approved,
How about unfinished projects, hanging until they fall, just like abandoned project cars left to rust away.
 
Eldritch said:
Typically, yes, but this construction was not complete. Blueprints do not typically show the phases, they show what the permanent building will look like when complete. What they are built of, all the structural calcs, etc. The means of construction is usually left to the contractor who puts his license and insurance at risk, and the project owner, who has general liability for paying to do the thing.
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That makes sense. Thanks for the insight.
I do know they have to go through a process and get approved, but haven't been involved in these types of projects.

I imagine that the under-writer and insurance companies want to bail on this project. :laughing
 
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