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ZX14 or Hayabusa?
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tsk tsk tsk.
the jumping spider is better than the idiot cyclops alien. Didn't you read my post.
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Evol-E
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Have fun on the Busa. just take it very slow for a long time. When I finally stepped out of the 600 class in the liter bikes I had to "learn" how to ride all over again.
With a busa there is a lot of weight to control under you. I watched a guy who was fairly new wreck on the easiest turn ever cause he didn't have propper technique and just froze when he got in trouble. This was at about 40MPH. Broken ribs and compound fracture to the femur later and he is talking about the gravel in the rode that cause him to crash.
Just take it real slow and don't ride over you head. In doing this I survived my first year on a liter bike and now rip the shit out of it.
With a busa there is a lot of weight to control under you. I watched a guy who was fairly new wreck on the easiest turn ever cause he didn't have propper technique and just froze when he got in trouble. This was at about 40MPH. Broken ribs and compound fracture to the femur later and he is talking about the gravel in the rode that cause him to crash.
Just take it real slow and don't ride over you head. In doing this I survived my first year on a liter bike and now rip the shit out of it.
Z3n
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Again, in the "harsh but true" line of things...it's either that or "my throttle stuck!". If you crash and you start looking for gravel and you're whipping out your electron microscope and analysing the pavement composition and then write it off as "all the cars that came through after i crashed cleared it up"...chances are you don't have the slightest clue what you were doing.
Now, if you'd told me that when i was making those same excuses 2 years ago after my first bad accident, i'd have called you an asshole. But it doesn't make it any less true.
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Where does that place me, I race a 50
It's all right folks. He has a clean driving record. He's an attorney. He must be able to ride. 
He doesn't seem to be too bright with his arguments, so I hope for his clients' sake that he either doesn't do litigation or that he actually does his homework before showing up in court. Unlike here, where he seems to be completely clueless.
BARF, I think I am interested in becoming a bookey for this "event." The over/under will be over/under 5 blocks away from the dealer when he crashes. We can also have bets for the mileage he has when he crashes. You will have the option of using fractional mileage.
What do you think? Who's in?
He doesn't seem to be too bright with his arguments, so I hope for his clients' sake that he either doesn't do litigation or that he actually does his homework before showing up in court. Unlike here, where he seems to be completely clueless.
BARF, I think I am interested in becoming a bookey for this "event." The over/under will be over/under 5 blocks away from the dealer when he crashes. We can also have bets for the mileage he has when he crashes. You will have the option of using fractional mileage.
What do you think? Who's in?
Evol-E
AFM Rookie #759
Again, in the "harsh but true" line of things...it's either that or "my throttle stuck!". If you crash and you start looking for gravel and you're whipping out your electron microscope and analysing the pavement composition and then write it off as "all the cars that came through after i crashed cleared it up"...chances are you don't have the slightest clue what you were doing.
Now, if you'd told me that when i was making those same excuses 2 years ago after my first bad accident, i'd have called you an asshole. But it doesn't make it any less true.
That is exactly what I told him but pride seems to get in the way too often. I told him crashes are the worst way to learn but if you don't honestly evaluate what you did and learn from it, it WILL happen again.
I went down twice in my early days and felt lucky to learn these lessons without serious injury. I accepted my fault and learned from them and have yet to repeat those mistakes again.
jorbar1551
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man, i need to get a busa
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Starting out on a 750 and a 1300 are very different. First bike 750? You'd better be a fast learner w/ restraint. First bike 1300? Nice knowing ya!
jorbar1551
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your a woman
Evol-E
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It's all right folks. He has a clean driving record. He's an attorney. He must be able to ride.
He doesn't seem to be too bright with his arguments, so I hope for his clients' sake that he either doesn't do litigation or that he actually does his homework before showing up in court. Unlike here, where he seems to be completely clueless.
BARF, I think I am interested in becoming a bookey for this "event." The over/under will be over/under 5 blocks away from the dealer when he crashes. We can also have bets for the mileage he has when he crashes. You will have the option of using fractional mileage.
What do you think? Who's in?
Is making bets on when a newb will crash really the best way to help a new rider?
I can really understand all of your objections to a newb buying such a motorcycle but is it entirley out of the question that someone buys a bike that is above their skill level and then slowly learns how to ride it?
With the right head on ones shoulders I would think one could take it easy and learn to ride ANY bike in due time. How about "hey hit me up when you get it and I will take you out and show you some tips". The OP is not claiming he is baddass and going to own 9 right away.
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Seriously though the bandit would be a better choice. Or just get some experience on a ex500, sell it and get the bandit. But if you are going to ignore the responses to your question (a bad idea) then the ZX14 face looks like a jumping spider and the hayabusa looks like an idiot cyclops alien.
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He is ignoring everyone's advice, so I figured I would put it in perspective for him. The point is that if he buys that bike, he's gonna eat shit. Quickly.
One could say that he has experience in the past and just got his M1, but anyone who says that they need a bike like that because of their size appears to be very ignorant to motorcycling.
Had there not been several pages of good, kind advice already ignored, I would have perhaps taken a higher road.
Unfortunately, it's not just about what's best for him. It's about all of us, and any other innocents he takes out along the way by being completely irresponsible in his choice of bikes. The last thing I want is to be lane splitting in front of this guy on his new busa.
Why would one assume that he will make responsible riding decisions when his first decision so far shows the opposite?
The best way to help this guy (considering that his post is even legit) is to keep him from getting a bike that only a chosen few have the skill to ride successfully.
To answer his question on maintenance: It's irrelevant. They are both going to require extensive effort to rebuild after he wads them.
Z3n
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I have seen known a handful of riders who have done this. The majority of them have been female, older, and had previous dirt riding experience. Even so, many of them dropped their bikes at one time or another, some at speed. I know very few motorcyclists who haven't dropped their first bike at speed with the exception of those on smaller displacement bikes. My first drop at speed was on my 600, almost a year after i started riding...but i did a lot of things on my 250 that would have dumped me off of my 600.
The fact of the matter is: I don't think he really understands how motorcycles work. You look at this from the standpoint of "but i weigh 300 pounds how is that tiny thing going to get me where i'm going", when the correct way to look at it is: A modern motorcycle has a power to weight ratio equivelent or better than an Enzo. Even if you weigh 500 pounds, you'll still move pretty damn fast on the thing in a straight line.
This is basically a midlife hobby moment though, at least that's what it seems like...successful dude, needs something cool, so time to get a motorcycle. Never mind that "getting a motorcycle" isn't something you just do unless you enjoy pain.
Evol-E
AFM Rookie #759
Good point . I guess I am just thinking back to all the haters when I stepped up to a liter bike after a year on a 600. I took it very slow and did not get in over my head. I guess this is very different than getting on your first bike though. I crashed my first 600 a week after I got on it
Aluisious
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Between the MSF thread and this, and this guy's steadfast refusal to heed any sensible advice while asking perhaps the most controversial questions about riding possible, I think this guy is a troll.
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get low
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can we just let this die? theres way more ignorant, egotistical, self-absorbed know-it-alls like this than we'd like to know. this one just happend to post on barf.
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afm199
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This is name calling in violation of TOS. I already posted a warning. Next person who decides to engage in more name calling and flaming is on vacation. I have already posted one warning in this thread, this is the last warning.
get low
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Fixed.. ( a simple pm would have been as effective as your "infraction") NOW can we just let it die? jesus
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