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AMA NEW SCHEDULE

Sidewazz, your history is slightly off, the economy was still cruising along during the summer of 2008 and didn't crap out til October. That had very little effect on racing for 2008, but had a huge effect on racing budgets for 2009 when the money dried up.

2008 was the last year AMA superbike was worthy of being run with a MotoGp weekend, imo.

As for that schedule, it probably won't be solidified til after Thanksgiving, just like every year.
 
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kevin 714 said:
Remember when DMG was going to offer 50k purses and shit? Lol
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Jeesh - don't even get me started!

mebbe the dunbest remaining residue of DMG's ascension to [sitting down on?] the throne is the NAScrap-style, teamed-assigned rider numbering - for example:

BBostrom 155 -> 23 [MJ's #]
RLHayden 95 -> 54 [# of National Guard units nationwide]

tho' Jordan Racing immediately took the lead with this fan-confusing approach, most other teams knew that the rider's # is part of his identity, not a team's....
 
Jordan wants #23 in order to identify with some basketball player. :) Anyone could and still can reserve a number. Notice Jake Zemke has always been #98 even though he has ridden for four different teams in the DMG era. The number rule is foolish but its far from DMG's biggest fuck-up and there are many to choose from.
 
DogBoy said:
Jordan wants #23 in order to identify with some basketball player. :) Anyone could and still can reserve a number. Notice Jake Zemke has always been #98 even though he has ridden for four different teams in the DMG era. The number rule is foolish but its far from DMG's biggest fuck-up and there are many to choose from.
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Seriously honest question... have they actually done anything right? I lost interest with DMG's changes after the second race or so of the second year and never went back. I'm not talking about retracting bad decisions they implemented though like the rolling start B.S.
 
I actually think so much damage was done in such a short time, AMA will never recover. It's glorified club racing
 
Ozymandias said:
Seriously honest question... have they actually done anything right? I lost interest with DMG's changes after the second race or so of the second year and never went back. I'm not talking about retracting bad decisions they implemented though like the rolling start B.S.
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I think the one thing they got right was make rules that pretty much made the machines even. that the racing weighed more on the talent and not the bike as much as it use to. Really it didn't do much to the results it just made the racing a bit closer and better and a lot more affordable.

Other than that I almost saw blake young and tommy hayden almost get taken out by the pace car on two seperate incedences.
 
Deftone said:
Racing is better on TV, everyone has a big screen, HD, multiple camera angles, rewind...why go to the track at all?

We go because we love the atmosphere. Motorcycle people, new bikes, custom bikes, parts, accessories.... Focus on that stuff. The stunters bore me but bring back the MX freestyle demos. More pit access, rider access, and of course...LOTS OF HOT, SCANTILY CLAD FEMALES.

And I love the idea of having wifi at the track so you can see the whole race on your phone or tablet.
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Um. I like the teriyaki chicken on a stick too.
Worth the trip.
Jus sayin.
Never mind
 
What has to happen for DMG to just shut this mess down? When they add Oak Hill Raceway to the schedule? How much worse can it really get than it is right now?
 
Archimedes said:
What has to happen for DMG to just shut this mess down?
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I don't think you'll have to wait much longer to find out. Things look bleak.

I've always wondered if anyone else besides DMG bid when the AMA put AMA Pro Racing out for "sale." Does anyone know?

I don't ever remember any other entity even mentioning they were interested or submitting a bid. Without the occassional AMA subsidies, AMA Pro Road Racing probably was never going to make money. DMG management obviously put too much faith in Roger Edmondson and paid a big price. Many of their other hires were not up to the job. Exceptions being Mike Kidd seemed to breath some life into Flat Track and then was let go which has never made any sense. David Atlas appeared to have some good intentions but the ship was already taking water when he came onboard and didn't get any support from above, which could mean problems are pretty far up the ladder.

There is a line of thought that since the AMA was no longer interested in running AMA Pro Racing, Pro Road Racing would have collapsed in 2009 had DMG not bought it because no other entity wanted it. The MIC talk of an alternate series was all bluster with no real intention of doing anything. AMA's position was clear, they were getting out of the Pro Racing business beyond collecting licensing fees. The AMA subsidies were worth a lot of money; seven figures for Pro Road Racing has been reported. Over $200,000 for Pro Supermoto according to interviews with Rob Dingman.

Say DMG calls it a day. Who could pick up the pieces? Feld, the people who run Supercross, don't seem interested in Pro Road Racing. WERA could be a good fit because they are for-profit and know the needs of the tracks, understand the costs of racing and have some experience with TV packages. I don't know if they have funding to pull it off, though. Dorna wasn't interested in 2009 and they sure aren't now. BSB is run by a UK company that owns the TV station that broadcasts the races and owns many of the tracks. Nothing like that exists here so its difficult (impossible) to say if there is any competent sports marketing business that would want to run AMA Pro Road Racing. Maybe it can't exist without seven figure subsidies?
 
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DogBoy said:
The AMA has plenty of problems (Laguna TV f*ck-up is unforgiveable) but there is no evidence and no statements have been made from either the tracks or the AMA saying ties have been cut. Just speculation some have presented as fact. AMA issues + motorcycle market still in the toilet + indifferent fans are the problem.
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The Bay Area market won't support 3 series, let alone 1 because we don't have any world class facilities. The track at Laguna is great. The facilities are ass. The track at Sears isn't suitable for motorcycle racing because their just isn't enough run out in most of the corners.
 
/dev/null said:
The Bay Area market won't support 3 series, let alone 1 because we don't have any world class facilities. The track at Laguna is great. The facilities are ass. The track at Sears isn't suitable for motorcycle racing because their just isn't enough run out in most of the corners.
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This is the lamest excuse I've heard other than its the economy.
 
DogBoy said:
I don't think you'll have to wait much longer to find out. Things look bleak.

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Say DMG calls it a day. Who could pick up the pieces? Feld, the people who run Supercross, don't seem interested in Pro Road Racing. WERA could be a good fit because they are for-profit and know the needs of the tracks, understand the costs of racing and have some experience with TV packages. I don't know if they have funding to pull it off, though. Dorna wasn't interested in 2009 and they sure aren't now. BSB is run by a UK company that owns the TV station that broadcasts the races and owns many of the tracks. Nothing like that exists here so its difficult (impossible) to say if there is any competent sports marketing business that would want to run AMA Pro Road Racing. Maybe it can't exist without seven figure subsidies?
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if/when DMG dissolves AMA Pro operations, i think an organization with credibility needs to start something new. maybe not the entirety of an existing club like the WERA or AFM, but at least some of those people plus others. really, it seems like there are a lot of people around this country that know a lot more about racing motorcycles on road courses than the people at DMG. IMO, itd be a lot easier to sell a series to a TV Network, promoters, the tracks, etc if some could say "ive been running our series for 20yrs, we know motorcycles and motorcycle fans".

however, i have no idea where the $ would come from. like u implied, nothing will ever come of some good ideas without a good backer. a lot has to be paid for before a new series even starts racing. so if DMG does close shop, we may live without pro racing for a few years.
 
DMG has a perfect solution for their problem: using their tracks already used in NASCAR weekend events to run a Saturday or Saturday night road race...a large percentage have a infield road section that would be best used in a NASCAR weekend to bolster the attendance and give variation on the activities. If you haven't noticed, NASCAR race attendance is suffering badly as well...AND they'd increase the sponsor exposure for AMA bikes incredibly...which would mean a better show and increased dollars.
 
Holeshot said:
DMG has a perfect solution for their problem: using their tracks already used in NASCAR weekend events to run a Saturday or Saturday night road race...a large percentage have a infield road section that would be best used in a NASCAR weekend to bolster the attendance and give variation on the activities. If you haven't noticed, NASCAR race attendance is suffering badly as well...AND they'd increase the sponsor exposure for AMA bikes incredibly...which would mean a better show and increased dollars.
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It's an interesting idea Berto, but I'm skeptical of the actual logistics. Things like space in the paddock, stealing time from other NASCAR events (trucks, etc) and running cars & bikes on the same tarmac (most infields use part of the oval) with different rubber being deposited on the pavement causing grip issues and how much debris/oil is left out on track from the cages banging fenders.

Also there's the issue of tickets. Basically, merging the events means much higher ticket prices for motorcycle enthusiasts to watch an event which is at best just a side show to the main event. And since most motorcycle road race fans really dislike NASCAR, I don't see them paying that kind of money to go to a combined NASCAR/AMA event.

If Jordan is really pulling out of AMA, I'm trying to think how AMA Pro can survive more then 2 years at the current trajectory.
 
number_6 said:
lol. you're too much sometimes man.
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I was referring to the "Bay Area won't support 3 series".

Which is complete bs. Bay Area is one of the most populated area of this country it also happens to be one of the biggest populations of motorcyclist in this country. Every since the take over nobody wants to touch DMG but yet sears and Laguna kept bringing them back. When in fact we fans wanted moto2 & moto3 or WSBK series.

It's simple you don't give people what they want they won't come.

synfinatic said:
Confirmed, Jordan is out of AMA. But here's the good part: they're looking to go to WSBK or MotoGP.

http://www.cyclenews.com/585/22548/...an-Out-Of-AMA-Racing-But-Headed-Overseas.aspx
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This is the nail in the coffin for AMA pro. One of the largest icons Persona and brand wise in all of sports has left the building because they see it falling apart. Not only did they take big rid but they're taking their show across seas and going to spend 4x the amount they ever did in AMA.
 
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