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2023 New Bikes & Updates

I was very close to putting a deposit on a husky Norden 901, still might, but need to look into this ransomware issue.
 
I get the angst over the "demo mode" and, admittedly, I'm not going to be buying this bike (I'm not buying ANY bike), but not sure I see the issue.

Consider, on my 750GS, we can not turn "off" ABS. Maybe we can pull a fuse, I haven't checked, but it's not an option from the management computer.

Why? Because of some European legal requirements. Since this is a "street" bike, it's "required" to have ABS. The 850 is a "off road" bike, and it has the option to turn it off. The previous year 750 had the option, but not any more.

Like much of the stuff on (and off) modern bikes, they're driven by legislation, not the market. Heck the whole reason my bike IS a "750" is because of the computer. The motor is the same as the 850, the computer limits it to a "750".

KTM could have offered up the different riding modes simply as a purchasable option, without the ability to "try before you buy" that they're offering now.

The basic truth is that rider do like the capabilities offered through digital riding aids, and that empowers manufacturers to offer distinguishing capabilities based solely on digital features.

But they're certainly not obligated to just give those features away.

Indeed, it will be an interesting experiment to be sure. I think this is less annoying than "Subscribing to heated seats" from BMW. That's a real corker.
 
The rage is KTM shipped the bikes with all tech packages unlocked on the 790 and now 890 variants (same motor just bore out and frame) require the dealer unlock.

Tbh I would not mind if KTM followed bmw footsteps for monthly subscriptions, if you do the math this only helps owners - if this is the future (subscription services to unlock Modes)
 
FXCLM5 said:
Tbh I would not mind if KTM followed bmw footsteps for monthly subscriptions, if you do the math this only helps owners - if this is the future (subscription services to unlock Modes)
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Why do you feel subscriptions help owners? How do they do that?

(This is the internet, so, I'm just asking out of curiousity.)
 
berth said:
Why do you feel subscriptions help owners? How do they do that?

(This is the internet, so, I'm just asking out of curiousity.)
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You bought a second hand KTM, og owner did not pay for a tech package that you want.

Say it's $1000 including labor to unlock one of the packages as a one time deal, or a $10 monthly subscriptions. Doing the math avg rider doesn't ride 12 months outta the year, and if he paid for it outright vs how many months he could pay for the subscription vs how long he will own the bike.

You can argue it's cheaper the one time fee of 1k, but avg riders don't keep/ride their bikes for 100 months to break even, my guess is they own it for 5 years before realizing it not been used for 2 years already.
 
FXCLM5 said:
You bought a second hand KTM, og owner did not pay for a tech package that you want.
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But you don't need subscriptions for that, right? It can just be a one time fee.

I don't have a problem with buying "electronic" options, as long as they're tied to the bike. I think Tesla turned something off because the old owner bought an option, but the new owner did not. That's pretty low rent behavior IMHO.

Say it's $1000 including labor to unlock one of the packages as a one time deal, or a $10 monthly subscriptions. Doing the math avg rider doesn't ride 12 months outta the year, and if he paid for it outright vs how many months he could pay for the subscription vs how long he will own the bike.

You can argue it's cheaper the one time fee of 1k, but avg riders don't keep/ride their bikes for 100 months to break even, my guess is they own it for 5 years before realizing it not been used for 2 years already.
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Well, $10 vs $1000 is over 8 years.

If it's a real subscription, you should be able to turn it on and off, ideally trivially.

The BMW heated seats subscription, if it were monthly (which its not, as I understand it, I think it's annual), folks could turn it on in the winter, and off in the summer (switching it our for air conditioned seats, perhaps).

I guess I don't grok the paying for temporary features. The idea that you have a vehicle at X trim level, but for $YYY/year it gets bumped to Y trim level with "ala carte" features. But if you transfer the vehicle, it's a reset, the new owner gets to go through all that again.

Seems like a cheap shot at recurring revenue.
 
not to high jack the thread, but when the bloody new helmets will be out, i need a need helmet badly, but nothing that interests me in the current line up..
 
Updates to the S1000RR, MIT VINGS!

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BMW Motorrad lists the changes to the 2023 BMW S1000RR as the following:

Shorter secondary gear ratio for more traction at the rear wheel.
Advanced “Flex Frame” with more flex.
Chassis geometry with new steering head angle, offset, caster and wheelbase.
M Chassis Kit with adjustable swinging arm pivot point and raised rear end.
Dynamic Traction Control DTC with new Slide Control function for drifts while accelerating using steering angle sensor.
ABS Pro with new Brake Slide Assist function using steering angle sensor for braking drifts when approaching corners.
ABS Pro Setting “Slick”
Optimized aerodynamics with new front section, winglets, high windshield and partitioning off of the lower triple clamp.
M lightweight battery as standard.
USB charging port in the rear section.
Redesigned rear section and shorter license plate holder.
Redesigned wiring harness for easier removal of the license plate frame.
Clutch and generator cover in black.
Easier rear wheel assembly removal due to loss-proof axle bushings, chamfered brake pads and brake anchor plate.
M GPS Mouse Adapter as part of the BMW Motorrad original accessory range.
New GoPro holder as part of the BMW Motorrad original accessory range.
Three paintwork finishes: Blackstorm metallic, Style Passion in Racing Red non-metallic and Lightwhite non-metallic/BMW M.
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S1000RR has this fit, healthy, moderately mean look.. winglets look like mustache - i dig it!! :thumbup:ride
 
berth said:
So, I see those wings, and a parking lot tip over, and a $1000 body work bill.

Or do any just cleanly snap off and on?
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Ha! So true. Those wings add up to 10 KG of downforce at speed to reduce wheelies. They don't say what speed but it's probably way above the legal street limit.
My concern would be once the front end is up in the air wouldn't those wings act like a sail, catch more wind and loop the bike?
In all seriousness BMW has managed to add more power, reduce the weight, and add some cool tech to an already loaded bike.
It's the first make-over since 2019.
In the sport bike category I don't think there is anything better.
No, I'm keeping my 2015 S1000RR but if I had a million dollars would I get one of these?
You betcha!!
 
Nice that bmw had a beefy looking solid top triple clamp and not the fragile hollow looking things Ducati installs.
 
the bikes all look the same in the way that all of the modern compact SUVs look the same.

Be nice if the Hornet can give the MT7 a run for its money. But, still, they all look the same. Even more than the sport bikes did.
 
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