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2025 F1 Season (spoilers will be discussed)

Blankpage said:
Verstappen can be a douchebag but if it makes sense that the best driver should be WC than he deserves it. Dude is on a whole other level vs the competition.

There hasn’t been all that many nice guy champions.
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Lando, Oscar, and Max all have 7 wins. None of them have dominated or been consistent all year. All have made mistakes or missed the setup or lost ground in the ‘ship. So I’m not surprised the points are so close. It’s fucking great for us.

This kinda applies to the teams too. We are further gifted by McLaren and RB dropping the ball during race weekends, occasionally. And for RB deciding to develop the car more and McLaren choosing not to.
 
stangmx13 said:
Lando, Oscar, and Max all have 7 wins. None of them have dominated or been consistent all year. All have made mistakes or missed the setup or lost ground in the ‘ship. So I’m not surprised the points are so close. It’s fucking great for us.

This kinda applies to the teams too. We are further gifted by McLaren and RB dropping the ball during race weekends, occasionally. And for RB deciding to develop the car more and McLaren choosing not to.
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It's actually been a really fun year after close to a decade and a half of dominance by two drivers.

I'm really looking forward to the new regs next year to see how that might shake everything up again. Plus an extra couple drivers on the track!
 
Climber said:
You have much more experience in this kind of thing than me, Berto. It's inexplicable that he would be having so much trouble with the car while Leclerc is up near the top.
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Just a thought, but that's how it looks to me...and some of my own experiences with running very different bike setups/ geometry than others and making them work where riding the traditional setups were problematic for me.

Climber said:
What did people think of Max's blocking move against Norris at the start of the race? He went all the way to the inside to block then all the way to the outside.
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For Lando, too bad Piastri is so close in points. W/out that, he'd be in a position to check any intimidation moves Max makes, by taking both cars out of the race.

stangmx13 said:
Get over it. It’s now 2025 and the penalties and policing have been fair, even, and reasonably consistent all year.
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Nah, everyone gets something different from watching/ fans of competition. We all watch somewhat differently, IMO...
 
Holeshot said:
Nah, everyone gets something different from watching/ fans of competition. We all watch somewhat differently, IMO...
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So you disagree that the penalties have been fair this year for Max and his combatants? Got any examples?

Youre right, anyone can just make up their own narrative. But I really get tired of hearing the same crap for years, especially when situations and conditions have obviously changed.
 
None of that. I don't have a real opinion on the penalties issue. My point was fans are committed in different ways so a "get over it" might be harder for someone who feels their driver has been wronged, etc.
 
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Bumper cars on a 3.4 mile street / road course will be fun to watch! :toothless:flag
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Stroll back. :laughing

I'm not sure Hamilton won't retire to be honest.

To say this season has been a disaster for him (and Ferrari) is an understatement.
 
I'm surprised Colapinto is back honestly.

Why does the caddy team look like they are twice the weight of all the other drivers. F1 trying to push the out of shape american (team) narrative?
 
FLH03RIDER said:
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Bummer cars on a 3.4 mile street / road course will be fun to watch! :toothless:flag
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It's gonna be awesome!
 
GAJ said:
Stroll back. :laughing

I'm not sure Hamilton won't retire to be honest.

To say this season has been a disaster for him (and Ferrari) is an understatement.
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Stroll has a seat as long as he wants to be there (daddy is paying for it). IMHO, Stroll is not the worst driver on the grid (cough....No Points Colapinto...cough).

I can't wait to see who comes out best with these new regs. Hopefully, it wont be like last major regs change (before the ground effect era) where one team was by far the best (Mercedes) for quite a few seasons until everyone else caught up.

Also, hoping that Cadillac will come out strong and not be an also ran.

Hamilton and LeClerc have come out to say the reason for the disaster season is because Ferrari has put all it's resources into next year's car. Hopefully, it pays off.
 
Racinfrk said:
RIP Isack Hadjar....he has signed with Red Bull to be Max's teammate.

I hope he does well. However, given the track record of Max's teammates, we will see.
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IMO there’s too many unknowns with the new regs/cars. I think it’s just as likely that the RB is crap and Max retires. Maybe that’s more likely because they are building their own engine too. Or maybe the new style of driving required by the new cars will suit Isack more and he’ll pwn Max (ok ya not holding my breath for that one).

This uncertainty applies to every driver and team. The tests and first few rounds may be a complete crap shoot. Oooo the anticipation!
 
Oh, I agree with you on the unknowns, but it seems that every driver that has become Max's teammate has been fired (starting with Riccardo). That kind of tells me that Red Bull is building the cars around Max's driving style which other drivers have a tough time coming to grips with. I mentioned before, it seems that Red Bull has gone the way of Honda (in MotoGP) in that Honda built the bike around Marc which nobody else could ride (and eventually even Marc could not ride it). For Isack's sake, I hope that is not the case.
 
I'd put my money on the team with Adrien Newey with aero changes at play. I'll bet that Aston Martin has a very good showing next year, especially with Alonso who seems to be holding off any disadvantages that agin usually manifests with F1 drivers.

What is the longest time between 2 driving championships for a driver?
 
Racinfrk said:
Oh, I agree with you on the unknowns, but it seems that every driver that has become Max's teammate has been fired (starting with Riccardo). That kind of tells me that Red Bull is building the cars around Max's driving style which other drivers have a tough time coming to grips with. I mentioned before, it seems that Red Bull has gone the way of Honda (in MotoGP) in that Honda built the bike around Marc which nobody else could ride (and eventually even Marc could not ride it). For Isack's sake, I hope that is not the case.
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Ya Max seems to be the only driver on the grid that can cope with THAT much oversteer and is fast as long as the front grips aggressively. I halfway don’t think RB did that (the oversteer) on purpose. I think it’s more that they don’t have the skill to design a car with tons of front end that doesn’t oversteer. The fact that Yuki is still at the back suggests that they haven’t gained any skill recently.

I do wonder if the new cars may make some driving styles irrelevant. Lewis’ style - late braking fast turn-in - has been neutered by the current cars. I wonder if the new cars could neuter Max’s style.
 
Now that I think about it. Do Max and Lewis have the same style? Max has just been enabled by the RB, and may also have done poorly in this generation Merc and Ferrari.

Edit: maybe the diff is that Max can deal w oversteer and Lewis can’t, as made obvious by Lewis struggling the last 2 weekends.
 
I think the new regs will suit Hamilton because (as you said) the new ground effect cars do not (he was at the top with the previous non ground effect cars). But, I also think Max is very good (I do not like him, but respect his talent) and will be able to adapt as he was the only one (in a non Mercedes) who could get close to Hamilton before the ground effects era.
 
IMO, Max has been with his team and engineers for far longer than Hamilton has been with his, on Ferrari. Max's engineers know how to translate his statements better than Hamilton's engineers. I see this as the likely difference between Max, his teammates and Hamilton's results. Setup being critical, missing small translations can amount to big time. One on hundredth in every corner is significant. The other thing to consider is what driver's/ riders do with poor setups: overdrive the vehicle. Eventually, they prematurely burn through their overall grip and fade.
 
Anybody remember Barros from MotoGP? When his setup was right, nobody could stay with him, but he wasn't great at getting the setup right.
 
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