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5 dead in fatal motorcycle crash

wellbredred said:
Looks like the "victim" car had a Driver that was DUI. May explain his lack of control.
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He was arrested on suspicion of DUI because "his breath smelled of alcohol". Test results are not reported.

I suspect this is a contrivance by CHP to keep the driver in the US until an investigation has conclusively determined responsibility for the crash.

Several years ago in a Southern California crash that took the life of a motor cop, they "smelled marijuana" on the Mexican driver (and LEGAL immigrant). A blood test absolved the driver of that suspicion, but he was convicted of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter.

In a similar case in Central California, another LEGAL Mexican immigrant (who was on probation at the time) killed a motorcyclist, and CHP again "smelled marijuana". Again, a blood test cleared the driver of that and he was convicted of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter.

I don't trust CHP's sense of smell (BARFers excepted, of course ;)). Let's wait until there's a definitive test result.
 
Coffae said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40174584/ns/us_news-life/

Here's a question that you may only be able to answer if (God forbid) the situation ever occurs near you. Would you chase down the person who caused the accident, or stay on the scene to help the victims? :|

Rest in Peace riders and the woman in the Avenger. May the survivors heal quickly.
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Since I have emergency first aid training, I would have to stop and help... catching the guy who caused it would be nice, but not at the expense of someone's life. I hope to god I'm never in that situation... RIP Riders... :rose

Ray said:
So here's my question:

You're driving down a two lane road - light (but present) traffic in both directions. - Dirt shoulder your right, but there's a serious lip 2-6 inches and the shoulder is narrow.

You see oncoming traffic, and then suddenly a vehicle pulls out, into your lane, in order to make a pass. The gap is rapidly closing and you realize there is going to be a head on collision with you and the passing vehicle. Do you:

A. Yank the steering wheel into the oncoming lane of traffic even though there are other vehicles there, and if the car in front of you ever gets his shit together, that's the lane he's probably going to go back to.

B. Pull the car hard to the right shoulder. Suspension be damned!

C. Jump on the brakes as hard as humanly possible and attempt to keep the car moving as straight as possible and hope the oncoming car makes it back into his own lane before you collide.
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Obviously C. Keep as far to the right as possible, and hard on the brakes, and hope to god the asswipe making the shitty pass doesn't force me off the road.
 
all of that desert and the dodge swerves infront of the pack of riders instead of the cacti?

it would appear that this thread is a repost. Sorry.. Original here
 
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Ray said:
So here's my question:

You're driving down a two lane road - light (but present) traffic in both directions. - Dirt shoulder your right, but there's a serious lip 2-6 inches and the shoulder is narrow.

You see oncoming traffic, and then suddenly a vehicle pulls out, into your lane, in order to make a pass. The gap is rapidly closing and you realize there is going to be a head on collision with you and the passing vehicle. Do you:

A. Yank the steering wheel into the oncoming lane of traffic even though there are other vehicles there, and if the car in front of you ever gets his shit together, that's the lane he's probably going to go back to.

B. Pull the car hard to the right shoulder. Suspension be damned!

C. Jump on the brakes as hard as humanly possible and attempt to keep the car moving as straight as possible and hope the oncoming car makes it back into his own lane before you collide.
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I'd take C, and hold B in reserve. In either case, given the spare second, I also put on my right turn signal, both for increased noticeability and to declare which way I was going to jump in the event...

On my old commute I'd encounter oncoming passers who apparently lacked depth perception and/or the ability to judge closing speeds fairly routinely. Longer sight lines usually gave me a fair amount of time to react.

Another thing I keep a sharp eye out for is oncoming "peepers," those folks behind tractor-trailers who stick part of their vehicle out into the oncoming lane to see if it's clear to pass.
 
DaveT319 said:
You encourage your loved ones to leave the scene of an accident? I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter if you're on the phone to the chief of police, you're not supposed to leave the scene. If you are threatened by the friends, that's one thing. But to leave on general principle just because they have friends there? That sounds really irresponsible to me.
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Take a look at the post above yours for an example of why.

Irresponsible? Not at all. The call is made, you'll offer insurance, are willing to take responsibility, face jail if need be, send flowers and visit them at hospital, etc. Just not willing to pay with your life right there and then.

Edit: Since same thread is in sink, if you'd like to continue the discussion about right or wrong to stop or not, please feel free to bring it up there. Let's let this thread focus more on the riders.
 
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T-1 Thunder said:
Take a look at the post above yours for an example of why.

Irresponsible? Not at all. The call is made, you'll offer insurance, are willing to take responsibility, face jail if need be, send flowers and visit them at hospital, etc. Just not willing to pay with your life right there and then.

Edit: Since same thread is in sink, if you'd like to continue the discussion about right or wrong to stop or not, please feel free to bring it up there. Let's let this thread focus more on the riders.
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OK, bringing this here.

I simply cannot understand willfully leaving the scene without a direct threat to your safety. You're basically suggesting that they should preemptively leave assuming that they "might" threaten your safety. I can understand leaving if you are ACTUALLY threatened. But to assume you'll be threatened, I'm not sure that will hold up against the hit-and-run charges you'd be facing.
 
Truly sad... :rose :rose :rose :rose :rose

Cannot really fathom what the riders who were OK were going thru waiting for help to arrive. Seeing friends dismembered and passing.. :cry
 
watching that footage without sound, puts a very grim feeling on the carnage that resulted from the accident, I'm surprised the driver survived, look at his car. to be out in the middle of nowhere and taking your last breaths, such a sad way to be taken out of existence.
 
Beauregard said:
It breaks my heart but I'm going to say something rather bluntly, and it is speculative, but.... I bet none of the dead were wearing full-faced helmets and/or any other practical riding gear.
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It's hard to say how much that would have helped when you are being hit head-on by a car going 65 mph.

Lakeside motorcycle club president recalls horror


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SuperMike said:
Horrible.

The shoulder there looked plenty wide, too.
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I'm not seeing the shoulder as plenty wide..(but also didn't see how wide was needed, as this unfolded).
Just sayin..the shoulder is like 2/3rds of a lane wide, then drops off (the fireman in the Orange coat steps up to go from dirt to pavement)...That shoulder is plenty wide for some needs, but falls short (narrow) for others.

Cal Trans is famous for pulling this stunt, to cut costs on road building.

I don't want to throw rocks at Cal Trans on this though...since I'm seeing it as the Bike group, made the moving hazard, then the (angry?) car driver pulls a pass, but doesn't do it fast enough (or have the needed room to do it), And the van driver, is going too fast and vans are unstable anyway, so when a wheel drops off the pavement, the van wallows, and the driver trying to get back on the pavement, loses control, and can't keep it in his lane, crossing into the bikers.
 
Sorry...Avenger....I thought one of the reports said van.

Pretty sure..whatever..the driver of that thing, was overwhelmed, in dropping a wheel off the pavement, and getting back on the pavement....And...I'd lay odd's most everyone else would be as well.
 
Didn't take long in this tread to start blaming the dead.

Rip fellow riders.
 
louemc said:
Sorry...Avenger....I thought one of the reports said van.

Pretty sure..whatever..the driver of that thing, was overwhelmed, in dropping a wheel off the pavement, and getting back on the pavement....And...I'd lay odd's most everyone else would be as well.
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But if it turns out that the driver of the Avenger really was DUI then that might account for part of his inability to handle the situation correctly.
 
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