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Actor Elliot Page (formerly Ellen Page) comes out as Transgender

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HappyHighwayman said:
I do empathize with this. I've read about many marriages where the man comes out as a woman or the woman comes out as a man, and somehow they stay together...(typically they have children). I mean, if my "wife" wanted to say she's a dude and change how she dresses and such but retains breasts and a vagina and likes P in V I could see it sort of working out if I really loved them...but if they wanted a penis and to have sex with women, it won't work.

When she married Elliot Page she was a lesbian marrying a lesbian. There are no bad guys in the scenario of them breaking up.
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Some people can flow with the transition, some people struggle with it. On some levels, you love who you love, and whatever their identity is is who you love. But in some cases like this one, it creates a massive conflict between loving who you love, and your own sexual orientation. In this case, Elliot Page's gender identity forced their partner to decide if they were a lesbian or could they love Elliot's identity as a male.

For my own part in this, I wish that bisexuality as a sexual orientation was more broadly accepted, and not dismissed as indecisiveness or youthful experimentation. Heteronormativity declares that you need to be "THIS or you're GAY" and, like with most things, the grey areas in between are far more interesting than the polar ends.

I'm still glad that Elliot declared their gender identity. I'm sad that their marriage terminated as a cost to that declaration. I hope they both end up in better places and better relationships in the future.
 
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TylerW said:
For my own part in this, I wish that bisexuality as a sexual orientation was more broadly accepted, and not dismissed as indecisiveness or youthful experimentation. Heteronormativity declares that you need to be "THIS or you're GAY" and, like with most things, the grey areas in between are far more interesting than the polar ends.
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You mean, like some dudes are English, but like, not really from England?
 
Why is this person's life decisions important to barf? Why can't people just leave they alone? Or is that just against the entire purpose?
 
ctwo said:
Why is this person's life decisions important to barf? Why can't people just leave they alone? Or is that just against the entire purpose?
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Because someday, some person close to you might decide to gender transition. the ideas you form here will inform and better prepare yourself for that occurrence, because we are able to project our feelings onto a person whom we have some familiarity with, but will bear no consequence on how they feel about us - because they don't know who we are. For many of us, Elliot Page is still the young woman in Juno or Inception. We can accept them as their new male identity, or we can ignore it and deny his identity.

TL;DR: Elliot Page might not care that you don't accept his gender transition, but your child (if you have them) certainly will.
 
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ctwo said:
Why is this person's life decisions important to barf? Why can't people just leave they alone? Or is that just against the entire purpose?
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I mean, it is an important to discuss like, if someone chooses to move out of England and no longer be English, are they still gay? Is there some kind of review process?

If they left and decided not to be gay, but wanted to go back to England, would they have to be gay again or could they get an immigrant citizenship?

Not sure how that works.
 
Eldritch said:
You mean, like some dudes are English, but like, not really from England?
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I don't want to polsink this thread, but I feel like the political spectrum is a better analogy. Lots of folks like to think that you're either red or blue, when really, you think the one political group has some great ideas, while the other political group is pushing for some stuff you really want.

Meanwhile some other folks who aren't represented by either party are into some really kinky stuff that really turns you on and...

Sorry, what were we talking about?
 
TylerW said:
I don't want to polsink this thread, but I feel like the political spectrum is a better analogy. Lots of folks like to think that you're either red or blue, when really, you think the one political group has some great ideas, while the other political group is pushing for some stuff you really want.

Meanwhile some other folks who aren't represented by either party are into some really kinky stuff that really turns you on and...

Sorry, what were we talking about?
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I think you're talking about Germans now...
 
TylerW said:
Because someday, some person close to you might decide to gender transition. the ideas you form here will inform and better prepare yourself for that occurrence, because we are able to project our feelings onto a person whom we have some familiarity with, but will bear no consequence on how they feel about us - because they don't know who we are. For many of us, Elliot Page is still the young woman in Juno or Inception. We can accept them as their new male identity, or we can ignore it and deny his identity.

TL;DR: Elliot Page might not care that you don't accept his gender transition, but your child (if you have them) certainly will.
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Huh? This is about as significant as me coming out as a kale and spinach smoothie connoisseur. Nobody cares; I'd tell my kids, so what!? Eat your bitter melon...
 
ctwo said:
Huh? This is about as significant as me coming out as a kale and spinach smoothie connoisseur. Nobody cares; I'd tell my kids, so what!? Eat your bitter melon...
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I wasn't talking about you coming out but good job on missing the whole point while still making yourself the center of it.
 
TylerW said:
I wasn't talking about you coming out but good job on missing the whole point while still making yourself the center of it.
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OK, it's about as significant as what Page had for lunch. It's insignificant.

And you mentioned Juno. You know Michael Cera, Jennifer Garner, Jason Bateman, Allison Janney and J. K. Simmons also stared...so let's talk about their gender associations like it's news or significant. C'mon...
 
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TylerW said:
Because someday, some person close to you might decide to gender transition. the ideas you form here will inform and better prepare yourself for that occurrence, because we are able to project our feelings onto a person whom we have some familiarity with, but will bear no consequence on how they feel about us - because they don't know who we are.
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One would hope that some of the ideas people have formed about Elliot Page don't translate to how they would treat someone close to them. I get your point but don't think the one case has much of anything to do with the other.
 
tzrider said:
One would hope that some of the ideas people have formed about Elliot Page don't translate to how they would treat someone close to them. I get your point but don't think the one case has much of anything to do with the other.
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I was trying to appreciate how I'd process brother John wanting to be reidentified as sister Joan. Other than breaking through years of reinforced labeling and a name, it'd be just a bit harder figuring out what Christmas present to get. For everyone else, it's just become a worn out trend and affects how I'd identify someone about as much as their hairstyle.

Eldritch said:
Dude, San Francisco is NOT in Washington, learn Geography. :x
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You know, bags of Dicks are NOT exclusive to SF, which is maybe why you're confused.
 
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