AFM make up race weekend choices

[Ducky_Fresh]

Seriously!

Ill go pheasant hunting if it does this time.

 

[machete]

Every year on that date it rains at t-hill

^lol that would suck for sure to have the make up race also rained out

that would suck some old balls.

what does the board need, to have a proposition presented to them, for racing in the rain? do I just email someone to ask that it be put on the agenda for a vote?

you know, since this year is all kinds of whacked in the weather dept.

checked WERA and it didn't look like it had anything relating to rain in the rule book. i coulda missed it.
and OHMRRA (?), had a small blurb, without much detail.

how about the powers that be, just use some goddam common sense, and say race if it's raining, with no major standing water.

make it a no points weekend if it's a rain weekend. you know, shit like that?

 

[brattitos]

Any one check Laguna's calendar? ...just check'n

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I'm sure they'll bump another event off the calendar to give us an open sound weekend.

 

[duh_ave]

checked WERA and it didn't look like it had anything relating to rain in the rule book. i coulda missed it.
and OHMRRA (?), had a small blurb, without much detail.

how about the powers that be, just use some goddam common sense, and say race if it's raining, with no major standing water.

make it a no points weekend if it's a rain weekend. you know, shit like that?

any blurb is welcome. I was just given one from another club.

Now, howsabout you use some "goddam common sense" and email in your ideas instead of ranting on? Or, pitch in on the already existing thread (on BARF), or better yet, start a specific one on the AFM site if it hasn't been done already? I'd invite you to a meeting to give a presentation on it, but we both know that'll never happen. So many options....

 

[machete]

any blurb is welcome. I was just given one from another club.

Now, howsabout you use some "goddam common sense" and email in your ideas instead of ranting on? Or, pitch in on the already existing thread (on BARF), or better yet, start a specific one on the AFM site if it hasn't been done already? I'd invite you to a meeting to give a presentation on it, but we both know that'll never happen. So many options....

don't worry man, I'm working on organizing all the paperwork (budgetary) about the AFM that I'm receiving, will do . you'll forgive me for delaying, but I was in costa rica for 10 days, and headed to Reno now, as my sister is having a baby in the morning (scheduled).

I'll be trying to make the next AFM meeting too.

 

[Holeshot]

don't worry man, I'm working on organizing all the paperwork (budgetary) about the AFM that I'm receiving, will do . you'll forgive me for delaying, but I was in costa rica for 10 days, and headed to Reno now, as my sister is having a baby in the morning (scheduled).

I'll be trying to make the next AFM meeting too.

And now Rick, you probably see why the AFM tends to opperate as it does; volunteers with time constraints.

We have no full time employees. I've come to believe we need at least one.

 

[afmotorsports]

Ill go pheasant hunting if it does this time.

Novice. Season doesn't open until October and you can't hunt pheasants in the rain, ya big dildo!

We have no full time employees. I've come to believe we need at least one.

+1 Long overdue, although it's been suggested several times over the years. You still have to develop a solid checks and balances system in order to properly audit and monitor the management of the club, otherwise you're right back in the current situation, ripe for mismanagement or worse...

 

[Holeshot]

I read that you replied before opening the thread and thought "shit, he's gonna light me up..." Glad we agree!

 

[afmotorsports]

I read that you replied before opening the thread and thought "shit, he's gonna light me up..." Glad we agree!

No worries, you have good ideas every once in a while... This has been suggested for at least ten years, going back to the days of Kenny Kopecky running WSMC (that guy was awesome!) and the CMRA business model (Texas series) and several other clubs in the country. Personally I would fire everybody in the AFM, post the job and hire the best candidate for the position. That person would answer to the elected AFM board and things would be a lot cleaner.

Anyway, I'm rarely in the RC anymore and just wanted to check what the heck is happening with this make-up race but it sounds like we're going to Thunderhill again. That sucks. I hate that place. T-hill has the least amount of concern for rider's safety and it's the only one in N. California that has taken (misguided) steps to make their facility less safe. Rewarding them with even more money from AFMers makes me want to puke. I won't even go there for a trackday. Thanks for the walls in T1 and T10, genius patrol!

 

[m54samrr]

I'm more than a little disappointed in the apparent decision(oh wait we can't confirm or deny that yet) of Thill in Sept over the BW day...let's take the majority of votes on the afm poll page and go the opposite way...forget the advance notice or the hope of going back to the place this season where all the make-up stuff started.

It's not that it matters anyway, there will always be someone unhappy. Why make a choice at all over which day come to think of it?

 

[Ptown175]

I'm more than a little disappointed in the apparent decision(oh wait we can't confirm or deny that yet) of Thill in Sept over the BW day...let's take the majority of votes on the afm poll page and go the opposite way...forget the advance notice or the hope of going back to the place this season where all the make-up stuff started.

It's not that it matters anyway, there will always be someone unhappy. Why make a choice at all over which day come to think of it?

I agree with ya here. Should have been at Butthole willow. Track rental would be cheaper and more voted for it. I can only assume that the afm feels that Thill would be a better draw. Will it off set the added cost? we will never know. I would go to either race but was really hoping for BW.

 

[Holeshot]

We had the Thill round be rained out. We rescheduled the round to later in the year due to rain. Why would you change tracks too when only dates are needed? The less the changes to the schedule the better. It was a hard enough time to agree on even doing a makeup race not to mention, Thill has much more consistent attendence numbers.

We had 3 round scheduled at Thill for the 2011 season and we still will have, 3 rounds at Thill for the 2011 season. Blame Buddah for the rain...

 

[ZXR400SP]

Novice. Season doesn't open until October and you can't hunt pheasants in the rain, ya big dildo!

I believe you can hunt planted pheasants, which is what it appears to be to the North of the track. At least the ones that fly over to the track are pretty stupid, not so much for wild pheasants. Planted pheasants and rain means my lab picks them up and brings them to me. No shooting required.

 

[machete]

any blurb is welcome. I was just given one from another club.

Now, howsabout you use some "goddam common sense" and email in your ideas instead of ranting on? Or, pitch in on the already existing thread (on BARF), or better yet, start a specific one on the AFM site if it hasn't been done already? I'd invite you to a meeting to give a presentation on it, but we both know that'll never happen. So many options....

btw: you still on the board, right? howsabout you answer this question that I posed on the AFM site on June 15th. funny. no answer. as expected.

"Hello, this question is to the AFM pres., Chris, or anyone else who can help.

Can any of you say how much the total cost for a weekend at Buttonwillow is? how much the AFM pays out of pocket? I don't need a detailed description, just yet, just looking for a total expense paid, for the year 2010, and the first round of 2011.

can you guys do that?

thanks. "

I know I know, collateral expenses.... is just a statement that allows the board to move off and not give a final number.

You guys know how much you spent for any one race weekend at BW. enough of the collateral expenses shit. That is easily solved by saying what the most expensive weekend, say at Buttonwillow is, followed by the least expensive one (reference to collateral expenses)

can you use some goddam common sense to answer that question?

thanks buddy.

and dude, I did talk about ideas. mostly for me, I latched on to the racing in the rain. (pick your battles for slow change, right?). I've posted my ideas in several threads. and seeing as how my questions don't get answered on the AFM forum, regular racers feel like we're just pissing in the wind when it comes to the board.

my ideas, :
-Take existing rules/ideas from other clubs that RACE IN THE RAIN, and implement. (some of them don't even have a blurb, they use common sense )
-No rain racing at Infineon, no doubt.
-Final call on standing water and no visibility from Race Director.
-Make it possible for us to race on a wet track.
-Rain tires, I'll buy a set, no worries.
-the Tire Vendors don't have a problem providing tires. (only ones saying so are the riders, not the vendors, proven when Dunlop asked if they should bring rain tires just in case to the last THill round) It is possible.
-Make rain races "NO POINTS" for the first 2-3 years of inception. It may never happen, but if it does, no crybabies lose points because they don't want to race in the rain.

I'm not the one, as well as with others on here, that are stalling the process, or not coming up with ideas. just saying.

 

[Holeshot]

Rick, we can do that, but best to do so in person or on the phone. I recall Kevin Smith helping me with the same type of questions back in the day. He wouldn't post that stuff on a board and I'd try to keep things as personal

Racing in the rain: The vendors would PREFER we race in the rain. They don't sell one set of tires when there is no racing.

If the AFM is to race in the rain, there needs to be a process to get there, like all governmental type organizations. Off the top of my head, we'd need to first announce when we'll go rain racing in the AFM, should the ducks all be correct and in a row. The earliest would be 2013. Next, we'd need a full report from a safety/ rider comittee. After that we'd need the insurance issue dealth with (whatever that may be) and review any of the contractual issues with tracks VS rain racing (which I don't think there's any conflict with). In 2012, our riders would have two full off seasons (2011 and 2012) to prepare for rain racing while the safety comittee prepared their report to the AFM.

That's how I see getting rain racing implemented with the lease amount of barriers in the AFM. All races in rain would be for points.

Ideas are great Rick, but mostly any sort of lack of progress in the AFM is usually the result of an all volunteer board with limited time on their hands for these intensive projects. It's never been a conspiracy agains the membership, but rather a sincere lack of time and ability to put in long hours for these projects to succeed. That's not to say board members don't work hard for the club, many do, however the time alone for the week to week ordinary issues (this makeup race was alot of work for everyone) take the lions share of a board members time dedicated to the AFM. For other projects to succeed, they have to find additonal time and drive and many times that's just not entirely possible nor desired.

Everyone wants some free time.

 

[rob linders]

I understand when there is a board, and you need to get consensus. However, I'm surprised it needs to take till 2013. Using Government as an example, even a small city is huge in comparison to the # of active racing members. I can't find that information, but would guess there are 2-300 active racers in a weekend and 4-500 entries. Surely if AFM decides to rain race, that can be handled and implemented by the start of next year.

 

[Ptown175]

Surely if AFM decides to rain race, that can be handled and implemented by the start of next year.

Good One!!!!


It does appear to me that todays board is wayyyyyyyyyyy more available and responsive than i can ever remember.

 

[Ptown175]

We had the Thill round be rained out. We rescheduled the round to later in the year due to rain. Why would you change tracks too when only dates are needed? The less the changes to the schedule the better. It was a hard enough time to agree on even doing a makeup race not to mention, Thill has much more consistent attendence numbers.

We had 3 round scheduled at Thill for the 2011 season and we still will have, 3 rounds at Thill for the 2011 season. Blame Buddah for the rain...

I know and understand. Its my selfish side that wanted BW.

 

[TWF]

We had 3 round scheduled at Thill for the 2011 season and we still will have, 3 rounds at Thill for the 2011 season.

You do, since you did not show up for last one