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You don't. Alberto Puig has nothing to do with Puig windscreens.I cant belive I have one of his screens on my bike!
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Alberto Puig blasts Nicky Hayden
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To address Puig's comment in the first post - FWIW it's known that Hayden doesn't set the bike up "proper" to motogp standards. So Puig wasn't out of line making that comment.
He's sets the bike up like a long wheelbase superbike, and that doesn't work, as well as near infinite spring rates. These bikes won't go fast for very long because the tires are developed around different riders. Maybe if Bridgestone developed a tire specifically for Hayden then he could have a chance. What will be interesting is next year, and how the ducati chassis and engine will react to Hayden's settings. He will surely not use Casey's settings. Even Melandri was complaining about no front end feel and he's a 250 rider right?(IIRC). Those guys learn to ride the front end of the bike, and even by his standards the bike has no feel. How will Hayden respond to this bike? Maybe Ducati will give him the support necessary to re-engineer the bike but i'd be surprised since they have the fastest rider in the world in the same garage.
He's sets the bike up like a long wheelbase superbike, and that doesn't work, as well as near infinite spring rates. These bikes won't go fast for very long because the tires are developed around different riders. Maybe if Bridgestone developed a tire specifically for Hayden then he could have a chance. What will be interesting is next year, and how the ducati chassis and engine will react to Hayden's settings. He will surely not use Casey's settings. Even Melandri was complaining about no front end feel and he's a 250 rider right?(IIRC). Those guys learn to ride the front end of the bike, and even by his standards the bike has no feel. How will Hayden respond to this bike? Maybe Ducati will give him the support necessary to re-engineer the bike but i'd be surprised since they have the fastest rider in the world in the same garage.
Desmodromic
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Bayliss is the man! Sad that he is leaving... I hope he comes back!!!
All of WSBK is great. I love the world superbike/superstock racing!
Ben Spies is cool, I guess. I don't think he will be the headliner (for me), it will be Nori on the factory F09!!!
Let's not forget the large number of BSB guys moving-up to WSBK. Shane burne along with Pilota goin to Sterilgarda go eleven!
Works Honda having the best line-up in: Carlos Checa, Ryuchi Kiyonari(watch out for him), and John Rea.
Back to Moto GP; I really would love to see Rossi and Lorenzo chop it up with Stoner. I would like to putt Nicky and Pedrosa in that pot but I really don't think they can hang, even if they are all on Bstones.
As for Alice Ducati, they have been looking at Mika for a long time now. I think him and Canepa will shake things up in the top ten.
And let's see if Sete becomes the 5th Ducati with Onde 2000 as the sponsor...
All of WSBK is great. I love the world superbike/superstock racing!
Ben Spies is cool, I guess. I don't think he will be the headliner (for me), it will be Nori on the factory F09!!!
Let's not forget the large number of BSB guys moving-up to WSBK. Shane burne along with Pilota goin to Sterilgarda go eleven!
Works Honda having the best line-up in: Carlos Checa, Ryuchi Kiyonari(watch out for him), and John Rea.
Back to Moto GP; I really would love to see Rossi and Lorenzo chop it up with Stoner. I would like to putt Nicky and Pedrosa in that pot but I really don't think they can hang, even if they are all on Bstones.
As for Alice Ducati, they have been looking at Mika for a long time now. I think him and Canepa will shake things up in the top ten.
And let's see if Sete becomes the 5th Ducati with Onde 2000 as the sponsor...
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Puig: "Hayden Is A Hypocrite, And Can't Set Up A Bike"
Submitted by Kropotkin on Wed, 2008-10-08 17:37.
in Dani Pedrosa Honda Nicky Hayden
It was universally acknowledged that you were unlikely to find a happy, family atmosphere in the Repsol Honda garage. But just how bad things were is only now starting to appear, as the end of a long and unhappy marriage looms at the end of three years. For now, the partners involved are starting to speak out.
Nicky Hayden has been the most reticent of the two sides of the garage so far, refusing to criticize Honda for their treatment of him since he won them their last world title. But in a recent interview with the Spanish daily newspaper El Pais, Hayden spoke out about what he believed was a fundamental flaw in the Repsol Honda setup.
Hayden felt that the team wasn't functioning as a team, with each side of the garage functioning independently and not sharing data to help develop the bike. "I don't like the fact that there's a wall separating the garages and that we're not sharing information," he told El Pais. "We're both on the same team, and we should be working together."
The problem, Hayden said, was not Pedrosa, but his manager. "[Alberto] Puig has too much influence on the team. In theory, he works for Dani, not Honda, but ..." he told El Pais. When asked how much credit Pedrosa still has with Honda, Hayden replied "Dani is great rider, with a lot of talent. But Puig is the guy with all the power at Honda, not Dani. Unfortunately, it's Puig who runs Honda. I know I'm not supposed to say so, but that's the truth."
It seems that Alberto Puig was not at all pleased after this interview appeared in the Spanish press. For today, Puig has struck back in an interview with the official MotoGP.com website, blasting Hayden with some damning comments. When asked about Hayden's objections to the wall dividing the garages, Puig told MotoGP.com "all I can say is that Hayden may be bothered because now he can't access information and telemetry data from Dani's bike. With this information he was able to improve his riding, as he had all of Dani's references and now he can't use that any longer. He was simply copying as he never knew how to set-up a bike."
He also accused Hayden of being a hypocrite in saying he has no problem with Pedrosa. "That's not the case. Everything changed with the incident in Portugal (in 2006), where Dani made a mistake during the race and apologised for it afterwards. Nicky eventually won the title and Dani did what he had to do in Valencia, which was to help him. But from that point -even if Hayden denies it- all he's been doing has been talking about how Dani was 'weird' and bringing the people around Pedrosa into the subject. He shouldn't act like a hypocrite and say that he doesn't have a problem with Dani, because since that incident in Portugal I think he has talked to him about twice."
Puig rejected the claims by Hayden - and repeated by other sources inside the paddock - that it is Puig who pulls the strings at Honda. "In my opinion, those who say that just lack respect to Honda and the work that they do. All I can do is bring my experience of racing like Honda has asked me to do, as I've been working for a long time with Pedrosa and Honda, forming the 125cc and 250cc teams and winning three titles with them. If you refer to Hayden saying that I'm the one who's in charge or used to be in charge, then he has to understand that in this job and in this paddock, anyone who believes he is in charge of anything is simply wrong. Nobody has control over things or is in charge of anything -results decide everything and put the people in the place they are."
And in a sign of what Andrea Dovizioso can expect when he joins the team next year, Puig made his position absolutely clear. "It is a logical step for a rider who has ridden for Honda his entire career, through 125cc, 250cc and MotoGP. He has shown loyalty to the factory, and now he gets a perfect move for him. As for how it will affect us? It really won't change much and won't affect our way of working. He will be another rival on the track."
Clearly, there is a clash of ideologies at work here. For Nicky Hayden, a team is a team, and should stick together. In his vision, everyone on the team, including the two riders, should be working together to improve the motorcycle and make it more competitive. Hayden's views are borne out by his work during 2006, when he was both chasing the world title he eventually won, whilst simultaneously developing the bike that was to become the basis for Honda's 2007 RC212V.
Puig, on the other hand, believes that each rider is an individual, and competes on his own merits. The team structure is a flag of convenience, a tool to help sponsors promote their products, and ensure that the team has everything it requires. Puig believes that a team is just a manner to achieve economies of scale, and that each side of the garage is on their own in terms of setup and data.
The two very different visions provide an interesting pointer to how Repsol Honda's two current riders will fare in the future. Nicky Hayden is heading off to Ducati, a team which has a lot of the family atmosphere he craves, and which has helped Casey Stoner become so competitive on the Italian machine. Dani Pedrosa stays where he is, and if we are to believe Puig's claims that their way of working won't change for next year, then we can expect to see the wall remain in place in 2009, despite both riders being on the same tires. Andrea Dovizioso is likely to receive the same treatment from Puig and Pedrosa that Hayden had to endure.
But Puig's words may yet turn out to be prophetic. "Results decide everything," he told MotoGP.com, and so might they decide the future of Dani Pedrosa and Alberto Puig. Paddock rumblings that Dani Pedrosa and Alberto Puig have one more year to win a championship are getting louder. The mid-season switch to Bridgestones cost a good portion of Pedrosa's paddock capital, and is as yet unproven.
What's worse is the pressure coming from Repsol, the Spanish sponsor of the factory Honda team. Repsol also applied pressure on Honda to force the switch to Bridgestones at Misano, and gave us the remarkable - and unique - spectacle of a major sponsor giving a press conference at a MotoGP race explaining why they wanted the change to be made.
For Repsol is getting increasingly desperate for a Spanish MotoGP champion, and may be mulling over the wisdom of their current investment in the series. Just how desperate Repsol are is clear from an advertising campaign currently running on Spanish TV, shown below.
In it, Dani Pedrosa is seen taking to the track, with a line of former Repsol champions behind him, pushing him on. A powerful image, but one which makes Pedrosa's failure painfully obvious. All of the bikes behind Pedrosa's all bear the #1 plate. Pedrosa's bike bears his current number, #2. Just how long Repsol are prepared to tolerate that situation remains to be seen. And with a rejuvenated Valentino Rossi, and Casey Stoner still in imperious form, Pedrosa's chances are looking frankly rather slim.
hthttp://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2008/10/08/puig_hayden_is_a_hypocrite_and_can_t_set.htmltp://
Puig: "Hayden Is A Hypocrite, And Can't Set Up A Bike"
Submitted by Kropotkin on Wed, 2008-10-08 17:37.
in Dani Pedrosa Honda Nicky Hayden
It was universally acknowledged that you were unlikely to find a happy, family atmosphere in the Repsol Honda garage. But just how bad things were is only now starting to appear, as the end of a long and unhappy marriage looms at the end of three years. For now, the partners involved are starting to speak out.
Nicky Hayden has been the most reticent of the two sides of the garage so far, refusing to criticize Honda for their treatment of him since he won them their last world title. But in a recent interview with the Spanish daily newspaper El Pais, Hayden spoke out about what he believed was a fundamental flaw in the Repsol Honda setup.
Hayden felt that the team wasn't functioning as a team, with each side of the garage functioning independently and not sharing data to help develop the bike. "I don't like the fact that there's a wall separating the garages and that we're not sharing information," he told El Pais. "We're both on the same team, and we should be working together."
The problem, Hayden said, was not Pedrosa, but his manager. "[Alberto] Puig has too much influence on the team. In theory, he works for Dani, not Honda, but ..." he told El Pais. When asked how much credit Pedrosa still has with Honda, Hayden replied "Dani is great rider, with a lot of talent. But Puig is the guy with all the power at Honda, not Dani. Unfortunately, it's Puig who runs Honda. I know I'm not supposed to say so, but that's the truth."
It seems that Alberto Puig was not at all pleased after this interview appeared in the Spanish press. For today, Puig has struck back in an interview with the official MotoGP.com website, blasting Hayden with some damning comments. When asked about Hayden's objections to the wall dividing the garages, Puig told MotoGP.com "all I can say is that Hayden may be bothered because now he can't access information and telemetry data from Dani's bike. With this information he was able to improve his riding, as he had all of Dani's references and now he can't use that any longer. He was simply copying as he never knew how to set-up a bike."
He also accused Hayden of being a hypocrite in saying he has no problem with Pedrosa. "That's not the case. Everything changed with the incident in Portugal (in 2006), where Dani made a mistake during the race and apologised for it afterwards. Nicky eventually won the title and Dani did what he had to do in Valencia, which was to help him. But from that point -even if Hayden denies it- all he's been doing has been talking about how Dani was 'weird' and bringing the people around Pedrosa into the subject. He shouldn't act like a hypocrite and say that he doesn't have a problem with Dani, because since that incident in Portugal I think he has talked to him about twice."
Puig rejected the claims by Hayden - and repeated by other sources inside the paddock - that it is Puig who pulls the strings at Honda. "In my opinion, those who say that just lack respect to Honda and the work that they do. All I can do is bring my experience of racing like Honda has asked me to do, as I've been working for a long time with Pedrosa and Honda, forming the 125cc and 250cc teams and winning three titles with them. If you refer to Hayden saying that I'm the one who's in charge or used to be in charge, then he has to understand that in this job and in this paddock, anyone who believes he is in charge of anything is simply wrong. Nobody has control over things or is in charge of anything -results decide everything and put the people in the place they are."
And in a sign of what Andrea Dovizioso can expect when he joins the team next year, Puig made his position absolutely clear. "It is a logical step for a rider who has ridden for Honda his entire career, through 125cc, 250cc and MotoGP. He has shown loyalty to the factory, and now he gets a perfect move for him. As for how it will affect us? It really won't change much and won't affect our way of working. He will be another rival on the track."
Clearly, there is a clash of ideologies at work here. For Nicky Hayden, a team is a team, and should stick together. In his vision, everyone on the team, including the two riders, should be working together to improve the motorcycle and make it more competitive. Hayden's views are borne out by his work during 2006, when he was both chasing the world title he eventually won, whilst simultaneously developing the bike that was to become the basis for Honda's 2007 RC212V.
Puig, on the other hand, believes that each rider is an individual, and competes on his own merits. The team structure is a flag of convenience, a tool to help sponsors promote their products, and ensure that the team has everything it requires. Puig believes that a team is just a manner to achieve economies of scale, and that each side of the garage is on their own in terms of setup and data.
The two very different visions provide an interesting pointer to how Repsol Honda's two current riders will fare in the future. Nicky Hayden is heading off to Ducati, a team which has a lot of the family atmosphere he craves, and which has helped Casey Stoner become so competitive on the Italian machine. Dani Pedrosa stays where he is, and if we are to believe Puig's claims that their way of working won't change for next year, then we can expect to see the wall remain in place in 2009, despite both riders being on the same tires. Andrea Dovizioso is likely to receive the same treatment from Puig and Pedrosa that Hayden had to endure.
But Puig's words may yet turn out to be prophetic. "Results decide everything," he told MotoGP.com, and so might they decide the future of Dani Pedrosa and Alberto Puig. Paddock rumblings that Dani Pedrosa and Alberto Puig have one more year to win a championship are getting louder. The mid-season switch to Bridgestones cost a good portion of Pedrosa's paddock capital, and is as yet unproven.
What's worse is the pressure coming from Repsol, the Spanish sponsor of the factory Honda team. Repsol also applied pressure on Honda to force the switch to Bridgestones at Misano, and gave us the remarkable - and unique - spectacle of a major sponsor giving a press conference at a MotoGP race explaining why they wanted the change to be made.
For Repsol is getting increasingly desperate for a Spanish MotoGP champion, and may be mulling over the wisdom of their current investment in the series. Just how desperate Repsol are is clear from an advertising campaign currently running on Spanish TV, shown below.
In it, Dani Pedrosa is seen taking to the track, with a line of former Repsol champions behind him, pushing him on. A powerful image, but one which makes Pedrosa's failure painfully obvious. All of the bikes behind Pedrosa's all bear the #1 plate. Pedrosa's bike bears his current number, #2. Just how long Repsol are prepared to tolerate that situation remains to be seen. And with a rejuvenated Valentino Rossi, and Casey Stoner still in imperious form, Pedrosa's chances are looking frankly rather slim.
TTTom
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cool commercial.
the #1 plate bikes behind Pedrosa are Angel Nieto, Sito Pons, Alex Criville, Mick Doohan and of course Nicky Hayden (which probably didn't make Puig feel any better)
No Rossi, he never wore the #1 plate on his bike
edit: Based on their advertising I think it's safe to say that sponsor Repsol is absolutely delighted with Nicky Hayden, it's Alberto Puig that has the problem.
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Johndicezx9
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Pretty much sums it up.
If DP doesn't win a championship next year he could join the list of 250 World Champs that never won in the big class. (No tears here.)
Pretty much sums it up.
If DP doesn't win a championship next year he could join the list of 250 World Champs that never won in the big class. (No tears here.)
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,,,and the biggest reason for Nicky to kick the little monkey's ass next year?
...cause it will piss off Kenlucky kid! Noboby likes a righteous know-it-all, it invalidates the things you might be right about. Fron what I've seen here, your entire BARF presence is dedicated to not liking Hayden, right down to your avatar. Here's a tip, try some tennis, golf, or try masterbating furiously. On second thought, skip that last one, you're already doing that here!
...cause it will piss off Kenlucky kid! Noboby likes a righteous know-it-all, it invalidates the things you might be right about. Fron what I've seen here, your entire BARF presence is dedicated to not liking Hayden, right down to your avatar. Here's a tip, try some tennis, golf, or try masterbating furiously. On second thought, skip that last one, you're already doing that here!
Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
,,,and the biggest reason for Nicky to kick the little monkey's ass next year?
...cause it will piss off Kenlucky kid! Noboby likes a righteous know-it-all, it invalidates the things you might be right about. Fron what I've seen here, your entire BARF presence is dedicated to not liking Hayden, right down to your avatar. Here's a tip, try some tennis, golf, or try masterbating furiously. On second thought, skip that last one, you're already doing that here!
... and to brag he goes to lunch with Kevin Schwantz!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Puig
Okay..........Which one of you wrote that?!!!! 
Wikipedia said:
Okay..........Which one of you wrote that?!!!! 
Say what you want, about them NOT having to over ride a crappy bike, but I happened to be at the ambulance when Schwantz and Mamola both got a ride to the hospital from Laguna in 1990.
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Oh, I thought he meant he was going to lunch with mechanics from the Kitchen Sink.
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,,,and the biggest reason for Nicky to kick the little monkey's ass next year?
...cause it will piss off Kenlucky kid! Noboby likes a righteous know-it-all, it invalidates the things you might be right about. Fron what I've seen here, your entire BARF presence is dedicated to not liking Hayden, right down to your avatar. Here's a tip, try some tennis, golf, or try masterbating furiously. On second thought, skip that last one, you're already doing that here!
Number's Don't L1e. Simple as that. They did not lie last year and have not lied this year, and they won lie next year.
Hayden had it good both years. Only ONE mechancial DNF last year and one glitch (that did cost him one spot). Hardly a bad year, but excuses have been flying from fans.
Next year, it should be agreed that there are NO excuses, NONE, NONE, NONE.
Hayden is getting EXACTLY what his fans want:
- No longer riding a bike built for shirmposa
- No longer riding for a Horrible HRC
- No longer having a crappy teammate
- Riding for great team
- A proven, champonship winning bike, factory and team
- great relationship with teammate
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Kenlucky Kid
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Nobody ever said the bike was good. Just not as good as the rest. It is also up to the rider to help improve the machine.
Yamaha M1 was, as far as Biaggi was concerned "a crappy bike" and he crashed often on it. Those who rode it and did not crash it, did not do much with it...
In 2004 Rossi and co. took a "crappy bike" or better put: A bike not as competitive as the the Honda and we know what happened....
Nevertheless, what Schwantz did on the Suzuki was unreal. Schawantz would have surly have done better on the Honda or the Yamaha - but perhaps his place was not GP, but rather superbike - whereas the rider has to ride what is available, rather than prototypes. In that situation, I dont think anybody could match Schwantz. Another topic all together...
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I'm impressed too. I didn't think there were any Americans that cared about motogp as much as you obviously do. :|
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Brag? Just a simple mater of fact of a casual lunch dropping by or KS coming to a friend's b-day party..whoohooo or whatever...
You Sound like some dorkie loser
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Re-read. I said "off the track." The guy is nothing but pure entertainment on the tarmac. It's only when he takes the helmet off that the spark fizzles. I think that's a fair critique and it doesn't take anything away from his talent on two wheels.
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Brag? Just a simple mater of fact of a casual lunch dropping by or KS coming to a friend's b-day party..whoohooo or whatever...
You Sound like some dorkie loser
Hello? Is this pot? Hey, wasup dude, it's kettle...
Funny that you would call someone a dorkie loser in the same post as a name drop...
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Hello? Is this pot? Hey, wasup dude, it's kettle...
Funny that you would call someone a dorkie loser in the same post as a name drop...
Apparently the Kentucky Riders Forum got tired of listening to him so he had to come here to impress us with his boundless knowledge.
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