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BARF Militia

well speaking from experience, ive handled a few uppers and components from companys like armalite, rock river, bushmaster, stag, lmt mrp


id say get a bushmaster, a bone stock m4 style one, it wont let you down. bushmaster is fast becomoing a favorite of mine

rock river, and armalites come with bull barrels under the handguards which is basically useless and it saves them money. they also dont come with chrome lined bores standard


bushmaster and stag are closer to milspec in that they are light profile under the handguards, chrome lined, etc, bushies are 1/9 twist and stags are 1/7 standard. real world diffference? none


i havent handled or shot any other brands so i cant give you real advice on anything else instead of just telling you what i hear from other people.

if you go top of the line, you will just kick yourself for dropping all that money on the new cool thing then the new stuff replaces it. so avoid the lmt mrp and noveskes global tactical or any other high priced stuff for now.

standard m4 style rifles prices stay stable and will shoot just as good as any free float rifle, IF you are shooting military surplus ammo, which i bet you will be. if your shooting match ammo. then get a freefloat match rifle, youll see its potential then



ive been saying m4 style because thats what i prefer, but bushie and stag also make great 20" M16a4 rifles too, i assume you want flattop. just get a detachable carry handle


also a note on optics: acogs, eotechs, aimpoints, ARE worth the money, i NEVER regretted buying any of them. do not go cheap on the optics, you WILL kick yourself in the nuts for skimping on them.


stocks:
strongest= a2 stock
cheapest= m4 stock
BEST = magpul m93

again , first hand experience
 
Webberstyle said:
Wouldn't 1:7 be more accurate despite non-NATO ammunition? :confused Would it be like putting 91 octane into a car that doesn't require it, or would you still reap the benefits of the higher angular velocity, like putting a radial tire on a bike that came with bias-plies :teeth
what's with me and analogies? :laughing
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no, too fast of a twist rate can be detremental to the shorter and lighter bullets

most of us will not be shooting match grade 69-70 grain ammo out of a stag 1/7 twist chrome lined barrel to even see the results. dont buy a barrel designed for ammo you cant even get here (tracer) and m193 is hard / expensive to get. majority of us will be shooting m855 55gr if i remember correctly. or *ahem ,, wolf

so in a way , 1/9 has it beat in real world status.
 
I guess you're right. I wonder if that's got anything to do with these super-lethal NATO bullets that were hitting people in Bosnia. The locals were calling them inhumane due to their tumbly ballistics. Apparently they had a denser tip and lighter tail to induce a tiny bit of tail oscillation. When they hit a person, they would enter by the navel and exit between the shoulderblades, or enter through the ribs and exit through the shoulder/neck, etc.
Young woman got hit by a sniper one day, right in the gut. They flew her out to a hospital by helicopter, but most of her intestines were destroyed, along with the liver, stomach, etc. 29, had a toddler, walking to the store :(
 
sohijiro said:
rock river, and armalites come with bull barrels under the handguards which is basically useless and it saves them money. they also dont come with chrome lined bores standard

bushmaster and stag are closer to milspec in that they are light profile under the handguards, chrome lined, etc, bushies are 1/9 twist and stags are 1/7 standard. real world diffference? none
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I always thought full-bull barrels were better, because skinny barrels flex, and bull barrels don't. In a half-bull barrel, the half closest to the action can flex. In a full-bull, like on a bolt-action rifle, the entire barrel is stiff.

I guess it depends on what you consider it better for - half-bull is lighter, full-bull should be stiffer and more consistently accurate.
 
Webberstyle said:
why would you trade a $650 gun for a $400 gun? :confused Well, it's a little too rich for me, but it's worth it with all the extras.
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better competition platform, like the GSXR of pistols.
 
Shotline said:
So who makes the best AR-15? Or perhaps the question should be what make should I stay away from?

I am selling my SU-16 and want to buy an AR-15 so I am starting to research what to buy.
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Try HK
 
zefflyn said:
I always thought full-bull barrels were better, because skinny barrels flex, and bull barrels don't. In a half-bull barrel, the half closest to the action can flex. In a full-bull, like on a bolt-action rifle, the entire barrel is stiff.

I guess it depends on what you consider it better for - half-bull is lighter, full-bull should be stiffer and more consistently accurate.
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i dont any bull barrel on any ar15, its heavy as fuck, and it takes FOREVER to cool off.

i agree with people saying that bull barrels are just a marketing scam, it saves the barrel maker money to keep the barrel unfinished (bull) to save them machine time, and tell people its better for them.

the thickest i would go would be like .80" under handguards to like .75" from gas block to muzzle. like a noveske.



if we are talking precision bolt guns, yueah then i would get a bull barrel. but not in a ar15. ever!
 
Webberstyle said:
I guess you're right. I wonder if that's got anything to do with these super-lethal NATO bullets that were hitting people in Bosnia. The locals were calling them inhumane due to their tumbly ballistics. Apparently they had a denser tip and lighter tail to induce a tiny bit of tail oscillation. When they hit a person, they would enter by the navel and exit between the shoulderblades, or enter through the ribs and exit through the shoulder/neck, etc.
Young woman got hit by a sniper one day, right in the gut. They flew her out to a hospital by helicopter, but most of her intestines were destroyed, along with the liver, stomach, etc. 29, had a toddler, walking to the store :(
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nots not cuz its super lethal" its cuz all the good ammo top tier m855 and m193 goes to our troops.

the only stuff we can get really as this time is 2nd tier or 3rd tier m855 training ammo. (green tip)


theres a huge ammo shortage going on right now and the military is buying ammo from other countries from what i hear,. so the end result, less nato stuff for us. at least for now
 
The Guatemalan stuff and AIM is supposed to be pretty good from what I understand and is still at real world prices. I'd be looking at the ADCOM arab made stuff for 62gr too. I'd buy some but I'm pretty much tapped out after buying ammo for the M1a and AK at the gun show.

I really hope this war ends soon. If not for the lives of our soldiers, at least so I could get some cheap ammo again. :cry
 
i just checked on stags, they come with 1/9 twist also so i guess they both come with 1/9's so just get the one that is the more cost effective choice for you
 
Wow, alot of thing to consider. Some decisions that I have made are:

Flat top
chrome lined barrel
1:9 because I can always get a 1:7 upper if I go competition, right?
2 stage trigger, although I don't need to buy it with it.

So it looks like bushmaster or armlite are my best bets. I will most likely be shooting wolf ammo at least for awhile.

Thanks for the advice guys.
 
I'm really liking my LMT upper:

16", 1/7, chrome-lined, etc. etc.

Cost about $420 with no handguards.
 
well i got dumped by my gf of 2 years this morning,. WTF!

i guess more money for guns now.
 
That sucks!

Go dros something sweet and expensive. That'll give you something to think of for ten days!
 
Webberstyle said:
Dude, come kick it in Davis for a weekend, we'll get you good and drunk/laid.
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might actually take you up on that, i have nothign at home and being very depressed around guns isnt a ideal situation i want to put myself in.
 
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