Body position

[RedMist]

Sure your anchoring your outside foot, leg and knee but if you really think of the reasoning behind anchoring, it has nothing to do with applying weight to the outside peg and most of the time should have the opposite effect. Most of. The time I'm using my anchored parts to pull the bike over not keep it straight up and down.

As for pushing down on the inside peg and how it changed things for me, everything feels better, more planted and your using each leg for iit's own thing which I believe is more repetable.

I just know Ken Hill is the man and I do what he says and not once has it made me feel anything other than considrrably better and safer on a motorcycle!!

 

[stangmx13]

Sure your anchoring your outside foot, leg and knee but if you really think of the reasoning behind anchoring, it has nothing to do with applying weight to the outside peg and most of the time should have the opposite effect. Most of. The time I'm using my anchored parts to pull the bike over not keep it straight up and down.

As for pushing down on the inside peg and how it changed things for me, everything feels better, more planted and your using each leg for iit's own thing which I believe is more repetable.

I just know Ken Hill is the man and I do what he says and not once has it made me feel anything other than considrrably better and safer on a motorcycle!!

id argue that there is no such thing as pulling the bike over with your weight. changes to CG with weight are minimal and very slow to produce any effect on the motorcycle. if u want the bike to change direction or lean, make a bar input... end of story.

 

[RedMist]

I wasn't talking about changing direction.

Ken said it, I did it, it did what he said and felt the way he said it would. I can't really explain any further than that without stepping on his toes and perhaps misquoting one of the greats.

Plain and simple, he was one of the best of all time in the AFM and helps riders much higher up the food chain then himself, he's the only one I listen to when it comes to riding.

Everything Ken is about is making doing things faster, more repeatable and all the while considerably safer(the most important part)

 

[Holeshot]

id argue that there is no such thing as pulling the bike over with your weight. changes to CG with weight are minimal and very slow to produce any effect on the motorcycle. if u want the bike to change direction or lean, make a bar input... end of story.

Care to expound on how a bar input will change direction of a bike? Care to go into how a motorcycle steers?

Weight will steer a bike and quite well, but bar inputs are needed. Mid corner, using weight to tighten a line is far superior than using a bar input.

shawnery, What does Ken explain on how to get the bike onto the fat part of the tire on a corner exit? I think you're missing a large part of the equation...

 

[stangmx13]

Care to expound on how a bar input will change direction of a bike? Care to go into how a motorcycle steers?

Weight will steer a bike and quite well, but bar inputs are needed. Mid corner, using weight to tighten a line is far superior than using a bar input.

shawnery, What does Ken explain on how to get the bike onto the fat part of the tire on a corner exit? I think you're missing a large part of the equation...

rhetorical questions are awesome.

when i first started riding, i thought i was soo cool hanging my ass way off the seat to change lanes on the freeway. id pull a Toni Elias and get this nice slow lane change that probably took 1/4mile to complete. then one day after reading through a BARF thread about hanging off, i actually tried changing lanes by pushing on that inside bar instead. shit, i think i ended up 3 lanes over cuz everything happened so fast.

ok, in all seriousness, care to share some insight on the part i put in bold? i dont know how well Shawnery rides but i do know you are faster than me, by a lot. i havent ever yet felt the need to precisely tighten a line midcorner, mostly cuz i either miss my line with no hope to fix it, get it perfect, or am going slow enough that i can do anything i want to navigate through the corner.

 

[RedMist]

Obviously getting off the bike to a certain extent is at least safer if not a" better" way of getting around the track but.

Watching the pro's at all levels besides GP, besides Elias, there seems to be many types of BP that is right or atleast acceptable.

If we want to use local level in the sportbike class there can't be two different styles than Herrin Vs. The Wolverine. Herrin gets off and down the side of the bike to a point of excess(seemingly) but then the wolverine in stark contrast is off but up and away instead of low and almost dragging elbows. Westby on the other hand appears to be on a saturday ride seemingly relaxed and neutral on the bike.

These two riders where basically going around the track at the same speeds at very similar paces but have very different styles.

Beyond personal choice what are the advantages or disadvantages of each riding style?

 

[joespeedfast]

If we want to use local levelwtf) in the sportbike class there can't be two different styles than Herrin Vs. The Wolverine. Herrin gets off and down the side of the bike to a point of excess(seemingly) but then the wolverine in stark contrast is off but up and away instead of low and almost dragging elbows. Westby on the other hand appears to be on a saturday ride seemingly relaxed and neutral on the bike.

These two riders where basically going around the track at the same speeds at very similar paces but have very different styles.

Beyond personal choice what are the advantages or disadvantages of each riding style?

BINGO!
Watch the Sat race at Ohio to see what it's like to be "doing it wrong!" and smoke 'em all!
Congrats to Westby for winning an extremely competetive AMA National.

 

[Corey]

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^^^ Maybe someday we can corner like this. ^^^

 

[Holeshot]

Notice how little lean angle Stoner has...

 

[swiest152]

Notice how little lean angle Stoner has...

yeah what a poosey

 

[stangmx13]

Notice how little lean angle Stoner has...

how little my ass.... stop the vid at 18sec and tell me he's not pulling his knee in and has very little gap between the side of the bike and the tarmac, esp compared to the following corner.

Stoner's lean angle in that vid is completely due to what he thought was the fastest way through the corner... and that why hes in MotoGP and we arent. A pro's body position has no relevance to us mortals.

 

[Holeshot]

I'm at .58 seconds. If you want to copy the guy who's last on the clubman grid, that's A-ok...but the thing to notice is how much meat of the tire he's got on the ground and uses his body to the inside to keep the bike more upright. It's a good slow-mo example of that one technique in action.

 

[stangmx13]

so who are u insulting w/ the "clubman" jab? and its not like i said anything about copying anyone. does Stoner's body position have anything to do w/ your first reply to me about using weight to tighten lines?

 

[CockyRooster]

Stoner is at the extreme for a very short period of time, but goes in and exits the corner with the bike as upright as possible. If you were to average his lean angle it would be less than a club rider that flops it over on the skinny part of the tire and keeps it there the entire corner.

 

[afm199]

Stoner is at the extreme for a very short period of time, but goes in and exits the corner with the bike as upright as possible. If you were to average his lean angle it would be less than a club rider that flops it over on the skinny part of the tire and keeps it there the entire corner.

Yup. In the immortal words of Matt Mladin: "I'm faster because I keep the throttle pinned longer than anyone else." Or something like that. Maybe it was "Twist throttle fakking pussy"

 

[joespeedfast]

Everybody here riding a MotoGP bike on Bridgestone 16.5s...
raise your hand.

 

[TWF]

.but the thing to notice is how much meat of the tire he's got on the ground and uses his body to the inside to keep the bike more upright. It's a good slow-mo example of that one technique in action.

I think you missing main point of standing bike up for drive out of corner.
It is not size of contact patch.

 

[stangmx13]

Stoner is at the extreme for a very short period of time, but goes in and exits the corner with the bike as upright as possible. If you were to average his lean angle it would be less than a club rider that flops it over on the skinny part of the tire and keeps it there the entire corner.

i agree with your second part for sure. but comparing to a club rider is silly... it would be valid to compare to any of the other riders in the GP paddock, but unless someone is friends with quite a few of the data technicians there, we'll never know if Moaner actually does something different.

Yup. In the immortal words of Matt Mladin: "I'm faster because I keep the throttle pinned longer than anyone else." Or something like that. Maybe it was "Twist throttle fakking pussy"

that had to have been Edwards

 

[Holeshot]

so who are u insulting w/ the "clubman" jab? and its not like i said anything about copying anyone. does Stoner's body position have anything to do w/ your first reply to me about using weight to tighten lines?

How does dropping your weight further to the inside affect a bike's steering?

I think you missing main point of standing bike up for drive out of corner.
It is not size of contact patch.

I didn't mention drive out of a corner, did I? But yeah, more contact patch and forward drive/ center loading the tire would do that...

 

[TWF]

How does dropping your weight further to the inside affect a bike's steering?

I didn't mention drive out of a corner, did I? But yeah, more contact patch and forward drive/ center loading the tire would do that...

It does not do anything to steering if you picking bike in same time, which is what stoner does there. He is not changing his line, just picking bike up. And it is not because contact patch will be bigger but because upright bike will not go sideways when spinning tire.