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Close one on Pinehurst - another effing M4M thread/rant

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Dumb bastards and their "doucheing" or "touching" or whatever the hell they want to call their sad attempt at WRC.

He blew his cash on all of the stickers, ugly body kit and financing of the car so that he can't take it to the track where speed and skills are put to their ultimate test without riders, other drivers and pedestrians being sacrificed for these idiots to get their kicks.

:mad
 
flying_hun said:
Thanks, Mickey. I know it's contrary to conventional wisdom, but on roads like this where I believe there is significant risk of the situation I encountered, my practice is to start on the far right and stay there all the way through. It's not the quickest and it doesn't give you the best line of sight. You can argue that it's not always the best. But in the scenario I encountered, it provides the best chance of staying out of the way.

You know, it's a "horses for courses" kind of thing. There are situations where I follow the late apex approach, and others where I do what's described above. YMMV.
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This seems like a pretty logical approach to avoiding oncoming road hazards such as douchebags crossing the DY... but have you had any unpleasant surprises in the way of bicyclists that tend to hug the right side of the lane?

I'm just curious about your experiences with that, because for the most part your tactics seem to be safest, but then the bicycle thing came to mind.

I guess since you're already at a bit of a slower pace & hugging the white line, you are at the advantage of having a bit more reaction time than people taking a high-speed apex, or at least equal to those who are taking the "better line of sight" apex. :nerd
 
Hellfish_Monkey said:
This seems like a pretty logical approach to avoiding oncoming road hazards such as douchebags crossing the DY... but have you had any unpleasant surprises in the way of bicyclists that tend to hug the right side of the lane?

I'm just curious about your experiences with that, because for the most part your tactics seem to be safest, but then the bicycle thing came to mind.
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My experience with encountering bicyclists is that it's relatively easy to widen my line. With some bicyclists that could entail making it much wider, but if they're way out into the lane, you can see them sooner too. YMMV.

One more thing. This isn't a one size fits all approach. I know you're not asking that, but just in case someone misunderstands me. It's just a habit that I've developed for certain types of tight, blind righthanders. I've experienced lane violations before, but last night was the worst.
 
RedKawi said:
from the looks of it, he seems to have pretty good control of his ride. so why such douche like driving in the twisties? :dunno
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From the looks of it, he doesn't. The boy isn't consistent in his doughnuts, and he's not at all smooth on the throttle. Plus, he's doing them in the rain -- stupid car stunts are much easier to pull in the rain.
 
Maybe put some of this in the comment box on his YouTube vid?:teeth
 
flying_hun said:
What's next was stupid. I chased him and caught him in traffic.
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That's exactly what I would've done, frankly. And I don't think I could've quit until I'd gotten his attention... the last time some ricer jackass blew the center line (to pass me, at probably 65+ in a 25 on a blind downhill turn on a residential street just outside a school zone) I caught up to him at the next light (took some work in my poor little '80 subaru, with the speed he was going) and gave him a good thump to the ass with my front bumper. I wasn't even in any direct danger in that situation and was more irritated than angry, but if the little asswipe had actually damn near KILLED me, I would not have been that polite.

I mean... so maybe it's stupid... but I know the feeling, I guess is my point. Running after someone while the adrenaline is screaming is stupid. Giving the cops a heads-up to keep an eye out for that car just might have saved somebody else's life (including his, the dumb bastard), which is not stupid.

He HAD to have seen you, and heard you. At that range... god. If I was in that car I'd immediately be pulling over shaking and sobbing over the idea that I just almost killed someone. I would NOT be wandering away yakking on a fucking CELLPHONE like nothing fucking happened. I really, really hope he gets nailed. *edit* holy shit, his youtube and everything?? got him dead to rights, that's beautiful...

I'm so glad you're okay!


Hellfish_Monkey said:
I think the only comments this guy should be getting are from a judge.
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I hope one of those is, "You! Out of the gene pool!"



*edit again* good heavens... :wow
somebody on dipshit Z's forum who isn't totally braindead said:
You guys are crazy going up there on Calaveras driving like that. I just did some rolling shots with a bike up there one saturday and thought it was during the day, traffic was kinda steady. The corners and curves are scary but I assume at night time there's literally no traffic? What about other guys like you coming from the other direction and you guys meet at the turn going about 40mph?
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Yes. What about them, indeed. :facepalm
 
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Seems to me that with their comments on the other sites, plus your account of the situation, you should be able to at least get a cop to show up to his house. If nothing else, maybe we can keep him off of the mountain.
 
Today i thought of this post-a car went off Grizzly Peak and the OFD was pulling up a body bag. How awful.
Didn't see the car as it was way down the ravine.
 
crank1000 said:
Seems to me that with their comments on the other sites, plus your account of the situation, you should be able to at least get a cop to show up to his house. If nothing else, maybe we can keep him off of the mountain.
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I hope they bring a printout of flying_hun's post for his parents.
 
I really feel we are starting to see the wave of new drivers that have "learned to drive" on video games and have video game reality imprinted in their brain cells. Be aware even more if that's possible.
 
:wow Kurt that truly sucks.

The guys need to take it to the track and leave the roads for driving reality.

Like a time bomb.. it is just a matter of time before a sad day.

Seems like the Police department would have plenty of info given what the barf CSI guys found already.

Glad you are OK man.. and riding like a seasoned vet shows once again.. riding smart is a key to riding tomorrow.

:smoking
 
flying_hun said:
Thanks, Mickey. I know it's contrary to conventional wisdom, but on roads like this where I believe there is significant risk of the situation I encountered, my practice is to start on the far right and stay there all the way through. It's not the quickest and it doesn't give you the best line of sight. You can argue that it's not always the best. But in the scenario I encountered, it provides the best chance of staying out of the way.

You know, it's a "horses for courses" kind of thing. There are situations where I follow the late apex approach, and others where I do what's described above. YMMV.
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Exactly right kurt. There is no rule that covers every corner and shape of the terrain (banks, drop offs, dips, rises, cambers.

A savvy rider see's the situation and the odds of hazards and picks a line that is in their best favor.

But.... One best nearly every time, line is...put yourself out to the edge, ahead of time, because if the worst case scenerio happens, coming at you out of a blind corner, there is NO time, at that time, to move there.

You have to be there already.

And then... don't look at that thing coming at you (be aware of it but not focusing on it).

Look at the wideth of the clear (what little there is of it) space. Put 100% of your attention on putting your bike there.

Anyone want to have a different opinion? Feel free, see if you stay healthy at it as long as I have. (Don't know Kurt's age and years on the two wheels, but....it doesn't matter, he does it right, that's what matters).
 
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louemc said:
Exactly right kurt. There is no rule that covers every corner and shape of the terrain (banks, drop offs, dips, rises, cambers.

A savvy rider see's the situation and the odds of hazards and picks a line that is in their best favor.

But.... One best nearly every time, line is...put yourself out to the edge, ahead of time, because if the worst case scenerio happens, coming at you out of a blind corner, there is NO time, at that time, to move there.

You have to be there already.

And then... don't look at that thing coming at you (be aware of it but not focusing on it).

Look at the wideth of the clear (what little there is of it) space. Put 100% of your attention on putting your bike there.

Anyone want to have a different opinion? Feel free, see if you stay healthy at it as long as I have. (Don't know Kurt's age and years on the two wheels, but....it doesn't matter, he does it right, that's what matters).
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trying to visualize that, so on a right curve you'd be inside near the shoulder, rather than outside; and on a left curve you'd also be 'inside' but near the yellow divider?
 
calmike79 said:
trying to visualize that, so on a right curve you'd be inside near the shoulder, rather than outside; and on a left curve you'd also be 'inside' but near the yellow divider?
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OUT to the edge, isn't in the middle of the road. Doesn't mean diddly which way you're turning.

Picture yourself being as far from the center of the road as you can get :teeth
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
They live at their parents, don't pay rent, the car is not that expensive anyway (30K for 300hp), they take a loan on the car... I thought you knew how these money affairs go? ;)
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:laughing

I'm always learning....

I think you're right though.......IMO these punks need to realize 'real' freedom is having no debt!
 
budman said:
:wow Kurt that truly sucks.

The guys need to take it to the track and leave the roads for driving reality.

Like a time bomb.. it is just a matter of time before a sad day.

Seems like the Police department would have plenty of info given what the barf CSI guys found already.

Glad you are OK man.. and riding like a seasoned vet shows once again.. riding smart is a key to riding tomorrow.

:smoking
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Thanks, Bud. :cool I'll get the info to the police after I get back from our rally pre-run that begins tomorrow. :ride

louemc said:
(Don't know Kurt's age and years on the two wheels, but....it doesn't matter, he does it right, that's what matters).
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Old, very old. :laughing 53 years of age and in my 42nd year of riding motos.

The thing that Lou is pointing out is that you need lots of tools in the toolbox, you need to know which tool to use in which circumstance, and you need to be learning all the time. At least I do, because I haven't gotten it nailed yet. :cool
 
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