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Dave Chappelle

Dave Chappelle is the greatest stand up comedian of all time. And if we are talking about the last 30 years its not even close. Seeing him live is just insanely impressive. No comic I have ever seen has made doing stand up look so effortless and he is so comfortable on stage. His shows usually don't even feel like he is using material. I once went to a show where he went for way over 2 hours and eventually the venue said they had to close so he stopped. It shows he just loves being on stage.

Stand up comedians should be offensive. It's been one of the last sections of society where nothing is off limits and comedians are free to just see what lands. Unfortunately that time is dead. Chappelle will be the last time this happens. No other stand up comedian will ever be respected and talented enough again to go against the mobs that want to shape everyone into having the same opinions. Stand up comedy will become the sanitized version that activists want. Unfortunately it will also kill the craft at some point. I applaud Chappelle for pushing against it for as long as he can. I wouldn't be shocked if in a decade no platform will show his material.

The funny thing is, if people didn't foam at the mouth over his trans jokes this special wouldn't exist. He likely would have moved on to some other material and he wouldn't be telling these jokes now and his supporters wouldn't be defending him or pushing back against the trans community. While this whole claim he is responsible for inciting violence or hate against the trans community, is absolutely moronic, the people attacking him can blame themselves for the pushback. If people just let stand up comedy be what it is: offensive, sometimes shocking, sometimes hilarious, sometimes terrible, and sometimes uncomfortable, then this could be avoided.

It just saddens me that anyone wants to censor art. I say fuck anyone that wants to burn books, cd's, or any art form. Trying to deplatform comedians, filmmakers, remove books from stores is just as bad. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up and let stand up be what its always been. Watch who you like. Ignore who you don't. The market can judge talent.
 
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If he's the greatest of all time, then why did I watch what looked like 72 minutes of a sad old man throwing dime-store insults at people he finds inconvenient.

That show just plan stank. He bombed. I didn't laugh once. I didn't even crack a smile. Nothing was funny nothing was close to funny. It was boring. If he's the best that comedy has to offer, then it's time to throw the entire comedy out.
 
scootergmc said:
Why is that? Well it's because you can't see past trans. Duh.
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You realize he didn't just tell transphobic jokes, yeah? The other jokes weren't funny either. All he did in that show was insult people uncleverly. I was more embarrassed for him than anything else.
 
TylerW said:
You realize he didn't just tell transphobic jokes, yeah? The other jokes weren't funny either. All he did in that show was insult people uncleverly. I was more embarrassed for him than anything else.
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A comic insulted, you say? I don't believe it. :rolleyes

Stop acting like you're ignorant to the world of comedy. Your hangup is LGBTQABCXYZ like it always is. It's a good thing Chappelle isn't white too. Your head might just explode.
 
TylerW said:
If he's the greatest of all time, then why did I watch what looked like 72 minutes of a sad old man throwing dime-store insults at people he finds inconvenient.

That show just plan stank. He bombed. I didn't laugh once. I didn't even crack a smile. Nothing was funny nothing was close to funny. It was boring. If he's the best that comedy has to offer, then it's time to throw the entire comedy out.
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This is really simple to answer. You hated it before you even watched it. It bored you prior to seeing any of it. It seems like you don't even really know who Dave Chappelle is and you started watching his shows recently so you could join in on bashing him.
 
scootergmc said:
A comic insulted, you say? I don't believe it. :rolleyes

Stop acting like you're ignorant to the world of comedy. Your hangup is LGBTQABCXYZ like it always is. It's a good thing Chappelle isn't white too. Your head might just explode.
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You're aware that there's more to comedy than just insulting people, right?
 
The cancel culture, "where's the line?!?!" stuff is interesting, but isn't it ridiculously silly and pointless to argue whether Chappelle is funny, the GOAT, etc.? In other words, isn't comedic taste extremely subjective?
 
nbean16 said:
Which stand up comedians do you like?
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Some of the folks I've enjoyed in the past few years have been Fortune Feimster, Patton Oswalt, Donald Glover, Leslie Jones, John Mulaney, Whitney Cummings and Hannah Gadsby.
 
pointless conversations are important to have also, just as much as pointy discussions.
 
We can't ask each other opinions about what they like now to maybe understand them better? I have a secret about barf....all of the conversations here are fucking pointless!! So what?
 
nbean16 said:
We can't ask each other opinions about what they like now to maybe understand them better? I have a secret about barf....all of the conversations here are fucking pointless!! So what?
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I do wanna say that I really appreciate you taking the time to explain why he's such a significant comedian to you. It was a lot more helpful than "He's just the goat, stfu"
 
TylerW said:
Some of the folks I've enjoyed in the past few years have been Fortune Feimster, Patton Oswalt, Donald Glover, Leslie Jones, John Mulaney, Whitney Cummings and Hannah Gadsby.
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Picked several of those just now to check out and see if I was missing something. Concluded that I’m not. Some of them were painful to watch.
 
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Picked several of those just now to check out and see if I was missing something. Concluded that I’m not. Some of them were painful to watch.
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Cummings, mulaney and oswalt are pretty funny I think. Not familiar with a couple of them
 
TylerW said:
I do wanna say that I really appreciate you taking the time to explain why he's such a significant comedian to you. It was a lot more helpful than "He's just the goat, stfu"
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Np. While I do think his specials are funny, seeing him live is a very different experience. If you ever have a chance to see him live, especially in a small venue, its worth giving a chance. There have been several comedians I did not like and live shows changed my mind.
 
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Np. While I do think his specials are funny, seeing him live is a very different experience. If you ever have a chance to see him live, especially in a small venue, its worth giving a chance. There have been several comedians I did not like and live shows changed my mind.
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I can believe it. Unfortunately I haven't seen a whole lot of comedy live. I saw Patton OSwalt a few years back, but I was already primed to enjoy it since I think he's one of the better comedians working today. A few years before that I saw Andy Dick for a friend's bachelor party. I wasn't thrilled because I'm not super into his brand of humor, but what ya gonna do? You show up for your buddy. And he was better on stage than I thought he would have been otherwise.

I've also seen Jay Mohr a few times opening up for an awards ceremony. That was utter cringe because he didn't want to be there, and the audience didn't want him there either.
 
Some people think Jim Gaffigan is hilarious.

I think his entire schtick about whining about random food items / condiments is fucking weird / not funny. And the rest of his jokes equally just come off as annoying whining - maybe it's the tone of his voice, maybe it's the dumb "what's up with THAaaaat" delivery, I dunno, just doesn't hit right for me to laugh.

Yet, that's frequently the highlight reels I've had people send me as examples of how funny he is.

I haven't bothered to watch or listen to any of his other stuff, because that's all I associate him with now. I'd imagine it's much the same with Dave Chappelle - if you've been primed by "anti trans blah blah blah" your walls are up and it's an uphill battle for anything else to land, because the back of your brain is just ranting quietly to itself going "bigot, bigot, bigot, just wait for it another joke against trans people is coming - THERE IT IS, confirmation bias".

As with most things in life, comedy is rarely able to please everyone in the audience, but with a sufficiently large audience there'll be enough material to get most everyone in there to laugh at one point or another.

DC accepts this it seems, and goes the other direction with it a bit - "might as well make everyone uncomfortable / hate me equally, and if I can make most of them laugh along the way then great".
 
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Hannah Gadsby got dragged into this by the CEO of Netflix and didn't appreciate it, so responded with this:

Hey Ted Sarandos! Just a quick note to let you know that I would prefer if you didn’t drag my name into your mess. Now I have to deal with even more of the hate and anger that Dave Chappelle’s fans like to unleash on me every time Dave gets 20 million dollars to process his emotionally stunted partial world view.

You didn’t pay me nearly enough to deal with the real world consequences of the hate speech dog whistling you refuse to acknowledge, Ted. Fuck you and your amoral algorithm cult … I do shits with more back bone than you. That’s just a joke! I definitely didn’t cross a line because you just told the world there isn’t one.
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As for Chappell, the show in the 2000's was definitely his peak, I don't think he cares to recapture that these days. :dunno
 
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